2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by CFO

Wtf. If zayne is better then Makar then he will be the best D to ever play in the NHL.

Yeah some expectations are getting way out of control with Parekh. Is he going to be really good? Yeah probably. Better than Makar? Probably not. And there’s nothing wrong with that

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

Yeah some expectations are getting way out of control with Parekh. Is he going to be really good? Yeah probably. Better than Makar? Probably not. And there’s nothing wrong with that

but there is still a chance he does become better, and nothing wrong with that either

[Ped]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Miller has the better pedigree, he was a 1st round pick and Hague was a 2nd round pick.

Miller has also averaged over 20 mins a night every year he has been in the NHL, Hague has never averaged over 20 mins.

Miller is the much better player and it isn't really close. Hague is a 2nd pairing player at best and more suited for the 3rd pairing. Miller averaged the 2nd most minutes behind Fox on the Rangers defense. He is a 1st pairing guy on a lot of teams, but is probably best suited as a 2nd pairing player.

Miller would be on the 1st pairing in Calgary, Hague would slot in behind Bahl.

Pedigree doesn't mean much at this stage of their careers. Miller may play more minutes but he's also struggled with those minutes in the past couple of seasons, and he's probably going to cost more contract-wise as well.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by CFO

Wtf. If zayne is better then Makar then he will be the best D to ever play in the NHL.

Said just a "decent chance" haha

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Miller has the better pedigree, he was a 1st round pick and Hague was a 2nd round pick.

Miller has also averaged over 20 mins a night every year he has been in the NHL, Hague has never averaged over 20 mins.

Miller is the much better player and it isn't really close. Hague is a 2nd pairing player at best and more suited for the 3rd pairing. Miller averaged the 2nd most minutes behind Fox on the Rangers defense. He is a 1st pairing guy on a lot of teams, but is probably best suited as a 2nd pairing player.

Miller would be on the 1st pairing in Calgary, Hague would slot in behind Bahl.

Hague has won a cup and his acquisition cost will be less.
They are both very close in terms of "skill" on the backend, both heavy bodies who play with grit.

I'd be taking whichever one costs less because I see them as equal, but I give the edge to Hague based on playoff pedigree.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Ped

Pedigree doesn't mean much at this stage of their careers. Miller may play more minutes but he's also struggled with those minutes in the past couple of seasons, and he's probably going to cost more contract-wise as well.

Hague has been equally as bad defenisvely with less ice time.

The original question was Who is better? The answer is Miller. Miller is a top 4 defenseman, Hague is not.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Hague has won a cup and his acquisition cost will be less.
They are both very close in terms of "skill" on the backend, both heavy bodies who play with grit.

I'd be taking whichever one costs less because I see them as equal, but I give the edge to Hague based on playoff pedigree.

As far as on ice ability goes, they aren't particularly close, Miller is very much a step above Hague.

As far as playoff pedigree goes Hague has played 1 more playoff game than Miller. Hague does have a Cup ring, Miller has been to the Finals though.

Yes Hague will cost less, but that because he is a 3rd pairing defenseman and Miller is top 4 defenseman. So it comes down to what are you looking for.

[YyjFlames]

Ekblad certainly isn't holding his cards to his chest as he goes into free agency:

“I live and breathe for the Florida Panthers. I bleed for the Florida Panthers,” he said. “I’ve given my body and everything to this team, and I want to keep doing it … forever, for as long as they’ll let me come to the rink.”

They had him play 33 minutes in game 1, getting him out as much as possible against McDavid. Hopefully, they feel the same way and resign him shortly after the cup final, and it really ratchets up the opportunities for trading Rasmus.

Full article here: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/640...-nhl-playoffs/

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by JTech780

As far as on ice ability goes, they aren't particularly close, Miller is very much a step above Hague.

As far as playoff pedigree goes Hague has played 1 more playoff game than Miller. Hague does have a Cup ring, Miller has been to the Finals though.

Yes Hague will cost less, but that because he is a 3rd pairing defenseman and Miller is top 4 defenseman. So it comes down to what are you looking for.

I don't particularly think either guy makes sense long term, so I'd be looking at 2-3 years max. Then you have to take acquisition cost into consideration, which is why I'd be more willing to go Hague.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We shouldn’t be spending assets on either player. Only thing that makes sense is a player for player trade.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I don't particularly think either guy makes sense long term, so I'd be looking at 2-3 years max. Then you have to take acquisition cost into consideration, which is why I'd be more willing to go Hague.

That's fair, just as long as you are willing to take on a less mobile version Bahl.

I think we already have players that can do what Hague does, Solovyov and Kuznetsov would provide the same skill set as Hague, but are better skaters. Heck even Jake Bean is better than Hague.

Miller brings an element to the left side of the defense that this team doesn't have and that is skating ability and the ability to play in the top 4. Bahl is currently the only top 4 defenseman on the left side.

[CFO]

Flames just need a short term LH D for top 4.

Weegar, zayne and Bahl. Need to sign Bahl to a long term contract. The 4th spot you need a guy for 1-3 years until some prospects hopefully make a push.

[Monahammer]

I'd prefer to trade Rasmus and let it ride. Pull up Kuzy, Bzru, let Parekh play. We'd be young as hell but we'd get to see the chips on the table.

But if management insists on icing a more veteran oriented lineup, then I greatly prefer miller to hague. Hague will probably cost a similar amount but is much less useful. There's a chance that a better partner (Weegar) and more minutes (lack of other options) would boost Miller's value over the next couple of seasons.

But, I don't know what the acquisition cost would be and can't even think of anything very reasonable. Maybe something around Pospisil would interest the rangers?

[CsInMyBlood]

LH dmen are plentiful in this league, as CFO above me said, short term stop gap is all that's needed at this point.

Can look into spending assets for one if nobody internally is stepping up when we are ready to contend.

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'd prefer to trade Rasmus and let it ride. Pull up Kuzy, Bzru, let Parekh play. We'd be young as hell but we'd get to see the chips on the table.

But if management insists on icing a more veteran oriented lineup, then I greatly prefer miller to hague. Hague will probably cost a similar amount but is much less useful. There's a chance that a better partner (Weegar) and more minutes (lack of other options) would boost Miller's value over the next couple of seasons.

But, I don't know what the acquisition cost would be and can't even think of anything very reasonable. Maybe something around Pospisil would interest the rangers?

I've been of the opinion lately they should include him as a piece in a potential Andersson trade to get more value in return if possiblePospisil.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by DJones

Said just a "decent chance" haha

Yes, some people need to actually stop and read what is written.

I'm under no delusion that Parekh is going to be the "bEsT dEfEnSeMaN eVeR" but I don't think it's unfair to look at what Parekh has done to date, compare to Makar's development path, and say there's a fair chance he ends up in the same echelon and maybe - if everything goes right - better than that. But since people want to make a stink, I'll just leave it at "fair chance he's in the same echelon as Makar".

Sure he could bust and I'm no prospect expert or anything but from what I've seen, players with his intelligence and drive rarely bust.

I also think it's the fact we somehow got him at 9th overall as to why people are downplaying what he could be. Not our fault he fell to us.

[Groot]

For next season, I hope the Flames don't give up any assets for defensemen even the Byram's of the world. Save all assets for any young C that may become available with 1C potential.and give the wealth of young defensive prospects a chance.

Weegar
Bahl
Parekh
Kuznetsov
Solovyov
Brzustewicz
Poirier
Grushnikov
Morin

Pick 6 from those players.

Then you still have Pachal and Bean to fill in as needed. Miromanov can go to the Wranglers.

[blankall]

I honestly don't see trading Coleman and Andersson as the secret to unlocking the tank. Andersson was pretty inconsistent. Coleman is great, but this team is now full of guys who have a similar game.

The internal growth is going to outweigh moving Andersson and Coleman. I also think people are going to be shocked at how quickly Parekh makes an impact. The Flames were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Having another offensive weapon from the back end is going to be massive for them.

[traptor]

I would actually go short term on an older LHD.

We need to wait and see what he have with guys like Solovyov and Kuznestov.

Give Orlov, or someone like that, big money short term.

It also gives us a tradeable asset in a couple years.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by blankall

I honestly don't see trading Coleman and Andersson as the secret to unlocking the tank. Andersson was pretty inconsistent. Coleman is great, but this team is now full of guys who have a similar game.

The internal growth is going to outweigh moving Andersson and Coleman. I also think people are going to be shocked at how quickly Parekh makes an impact. The Flames were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Having another offensive weapon from the back end is going to be massive for them.

Early in his career a lot will be off set in his own zone. But he could pull a Lane Hutson too.