Tracking the anti-LBGTQ+ movement

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Anecdotally in my social circles it's very bad for the LGBTQ community. There was lots of support and momentum before this right wing, Russian led misinformtatioon campaign attacked the community, in particular the trans community.

I'm just seeing that most people have either fallen for the misinformation and have stupid, ugly opinions on the community now or at BEST just don't care anymore because the discussion around any LGBTQ issues is completely toxic and politicized to a point where the people that hate the community have won.

Is it so much that more recent misinformation has changed people's minds and formed new ugly opinions on LGBTQ issues?

Or has it been that for a great percentage of society they never really fully embraced and never fully accepted the full slate of LGBTQ issues and now with the political climate changing there's A) less scorn for people expressing these opinions publicly and B) Less overt pressure for people to express public support for LGBTQ issues?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Is it so much that more recent misinformation has changed people's minds and formed new ugly opinions on LGBTQ issues?

Or has it been that for a great percentage of society they never really fully embraced and never fully accepted the full slate of LGBTQ issues and now with the political climate changing there's A) less scorn for people expressing these opinions publicly and B) Less overt pressure for people to express public support for LGBTQ issues?

This seems like around about way of saying people have been given permission to be bigots again, because they elected people that are facilitating that. The loud voices are no longer the repressed, they are the oppressors.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Is it so much that more recent misinformation has changed people's minds and formed new ugly opinions on LGBTQ issues?

Or has it been that for a great percentage of society they never really fully embraced and never fully accepted the full slate of LGBTQ issues and now with the political climate changing there's A) less scorn for people expressing these opinions publicly and B) Less overt pressure for people to express public support for LGBTQ issues?

Well, yes, it is recent misinformation campaigns having a negative impact. We know that to be true.

But feel free to define “a great percentage of society” and “the full slate of LGBTQ issues.” Like sure, maybe most people are just bigots who were peer pressured into not being bigots in public and now that there’s less pressure it’s masks off, I guess?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I got to wondering today as I walked downtown at lunch.

There's a Carnival cruise ship in port, with lots of American tourists about. Most businesses have pride flags up, or the stickers of the flag in their windows, the Centre for Craft & Design has a flower box in front that's painted as the pride flag.

What affect does the openness, tolerance and acceptance in Canada (or any other country) have on the American tourist when they see how commonplace it is to simply not hate someone for being different from you.

... as an aside, obviously I don't live in Alberta. Would be kinda cool if there was a Carnival ship downtown Calgary.

Also just realizing that the ship in today was the Carnival Oride. That made me chuckle as I typed this.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I got to wondering today as I walked downtown at lunch.

There's a Carnival cruise ship in port, with lots of American tourists about. Most businesses have pride flags up, or the stickers of the flag in their windows, the Centre for Craft & Design has a flower box in front that's painted as the pride flag.

What affect does the openness, tolerance and acceptance in Canada (or any other country) have on the American tourist when they see how commonplace it is to simply not hate someone for being different from you.

... as an aside, obviously I don't live in Alberta. Would be kinda cool if there was a Carnival ship downtown Calgary.

Also just realizing that the ship in today was the Carnival Oride. That made me chuckle as I typed this.

It'd show that puny Peace Bridge who the Boss is!!

Did you guys finally invest in more paint?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This seems like around about way of saying people have been given permission to be bigots again, because they elected people that are facilitating that. The loud voices are no longer the repressed, they are the oppressors.

It's not really a round about way. It's expressly celebrating the freedom to be bigoted without social consequences.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It's not really a round about way. It's expressly celebrating the freedom to be bigoted without social consequences.

I was trying not to be too direct and hurt any feelings.


But ya, re-reading "for a great percentage of society they never really fully embraced and never fully accepted the full slate of LGBTQ issues" sure sounds like someone who thinks they out to have a say in how others choose to live their own lives. And think "a great percentage" gives the statement more muscle. 100% of people can be bigots, that doesn't make them right.


You know, I ####ing hate cowboy hats. I don't think anyone should be able to wear them, because they make me uncomfortable. And my Sunday hangout group has a lot of really bad things to say about them corrupting the morals of society through promotion of lawless old west culture. I know a huge number of people who feel the same way. So next month we are going to try to ban the sale of cowboy hats, and protest western clothing stores so that no one can make me feel uncomfortable. I couldn't imagine what I'd do if my kid came home wearing a cowboy hat. I'd be devastated. Have to bring it up with my Sunday hangout group, for sure. They'd have some ideas on how to set him straight.

[Cowboy89]

To be clear and direct I wasn’t expressing a personal take on LGBTQ issues but rather pointing out that a strong inference could be made that a good chunk of the population was likely never in the fully acceptance space on all LGBTQ issues to begin with.

The fact that Slogans like ‘She’s for they/them, he’s for you!’ and the whole trans-women in woman’s sports issue being blown out of proportion actually helped elect the government in the US rather than hurt their electoral prospects exposes that it’s actually where a lot of people actually still are. Blaming it primarily on Russian misinformation deflects and ignores that reality.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

To be clear and direct I wasn’t expressing a personal take on LGBTQ issues but rather pointing out that a strong inference could be made that a good chunk of the population was likely never in the fully acceptance space on all LGBTQ issues to begin with.

The fact that Slogans like ‘She’s for they/them, he’s for you!’ and the whole trans-women in woman’s sports issue being blown out of proportion actually helped elect the government in the US rather than hurt their electoral prospects exposes that it’s actually where a lot of people actually still are. Blaming it primarily on Russian misinformation deflects and ignores that reality.

Which is funny considering the whole trans-women in women’s sports issue being blown out of proportion is an example of Russian misinformation.

So apparently Russian misinformation actually helped elect the government, but acknowledging that it was Russian misinformation ignores that reality.

Makes sense.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Which is funny considering the whole trans-women in women’s sports issue being blown out of proportion is an example of Russian misinformation.

So apparently Russian misinformation actually helped elect the government, but acknowledging that it was Russian misinformation ignores that reality.

Makes sense.

lol

[lambeburger]

Men can get pregnant.

If you disagree, then the Russians got to you!

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Which is funny considering the whole trans-women in women’s sports issue being blown out of proportion is an example of Russian misinformation.

So apparently Russian misinformation actually helped elect the government, but acknowledging that it was Russian misinformation ignores that reality.

Makes sense.

Is the notion that there are innate population-level differences in athletic ability between sexes that at the most elite level of woman's sport could give transwoman an advantage over those who are born female Russian misinformation?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

Men can get pregnant.

If you disagree, then the Russians got to you!

Making this specific, flippant joke means they did.

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Is the notion that there are innate population-level differences in athletic ability between sexes that at the most elite level of woman's sport could give transwoman an advantage over those who are born female Russian misinformation?

Thinking this topic is, in any way, worth the amount of mental energy it's currently receiving is an absolute result of Russian and right-wing dis/misinformation.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Is the notion that there are innate population-level differences in athletic ability between sexes that at the most elite level of woman's sport could give transwoman an advantage over those who are born female Russian misinformation?

It's that this is an issue for you or anyone else to care so deeply about that has been stoked by Russian disinformation(misinformation is false, disinformation is deliberately false).


Ask yourself why you and the morally panicked care so much about an issue that has zero effect on you or the way you live your life. Ask yourself why that justifies the mental damage that is wrought on your fellow human beings for telling them they can't be who they are. Ask yourself what right you have to do that. Then you might start to wake up and realize you've been poisoned using real, but not meaningful issues to turn against an entire segment of the population that already suffers through immense challenges just trying to exist.


And then ask yourself why you keep claiming to not be apart of the oppressive groups while continually dropping the same tired attacks on the vulnerable for reasons you don't actually care about.

[WideReceiver]

Podcaster Craig Baird, who lives in Stony Plain and does Canadian History Ehx, has released an excellent show on the history on the anti-LGBTQ+ movement in Canada. Man, we’ve come a long way in the last several decades. If you’re interested in history generally, and Canadian history, Craig is awesome.

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcas...=1000711007172

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Is the notion that there are innate population-level differences in athletic ability between sexes that at the most elite level of woman's sport could give transwoman an advantage over those who are born female Russian misinformation?

jfc an example is in the same thread you’re pretending not to share your ignorant “personal take” in.

Originally Posted by BigThief

https://www.reuters.com/sports/paris...ch-2025-03-15/
A gender row involving two female boxers at the Paris 2024 Olympics was the result of a Russian fake news campaign and had little to do with reality, International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Thomas Bach said on Saturday.



Obviously. Anyone who thought different or continued to is a f'n moron

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Making this specific, flippant joke means they did.



Thinking this topic is, in any way, worth the amount of mental energy it's currently receiving is an absolute result of Russian and right-wing dis/misinformation.

It’s kind of incredible watching people who have been influenced by misinformation and hate campaigns claim those things don’t exist. But also sad that anyone thinks some misguided, overblown concern about fairness in sports is reason enough to just reject “LGBTQ issues” on the whole.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s kind of incredible watching people who have been influenced by misinformation and hate campaigns claim those things don’t exist. But also sad that anyone thinks some misguided, overblown concern about fairness in sports is reason enough to just reject “LGBTQ issues” on the whole.

Boy you sure do a lot of mental gymnastics to make someone look bad.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Is the notion that there are innate population-level differences in athletic ability between sexes that at the most elite level of woman's sport could give transwoman an advantage over those who are born female Russian misinformation?

Without looking it up, quickly name any five currently active elite women athletes.

Anyone who can't do this instantly from memory doesn't care about women's sports, they just care about hurting trans people.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Boy you sure do a lot of mental gymnastics to make someone look bad.

Oh look, another one.

Why don’t you tell us again about how using correct pronouns makes it hard for you to accept LGBTQ people.