2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think Chicago would. They have a lot of intriguing young players at all positions except for goal. Having another top 3 1st rounder probably isn't something they need as much at this point to take the next step and with rumours that even Bedard is getting impatient and being advised not to sign a long term extension at this point, I could see them getting antsy.

I know they just acquired Spencer Knight last year, but he hasn't exactly shown that he can be the guy. I think the bigger part of that deal was unloading Jones and getting a 2026 1st rounder back. Knight was probably just a flyer and a hope.

Zero chance they trade 3oa for wolf, not that Calgary should or would do it.

Knight is a very good goaltender. They will run with him until he proves otherwise.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why not both !

Because some of us would rather Wolf continue to improve and not have a bad year

[Pekkerhead]

I can’t believe we are now talking about trading Wolf or hoping he has a bad year. My god people.

[Monahammer]

It's almost a guarantee he will have a down season in the first few. Look at any strong rookie goalie performance. It would be ok if he does too. I would personally hope for better scenarios (e.g. trading more vets and letting the team suck intentionally that way) but ultimately the team needs top end draft talent to be competitive long term. Unfortunately two finals appearances in a row have done more to validate the edmonton style build than anything the flames have accomplished since the late 80s now. What an embarrassment.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It's almost a guarantee he will have a down season in the first few. Look at any strong rookie goalie performance. It would be ok if he does too. I would personally hope for better scenarios (e.g. trading more vets and letting the team suck intentionally that way) but ultimately the team needs top end draft talent to be competitive long term. Unfortunately two finals appearances in a row have done more to validate the edmonton style build than anything the flames have accomplished since the late 80s now. What an embarrassment.

Not that I disagree with your point but are you, as a fan and have no control of, embarrassed? Why?

Should the Flames be embarrassed? Why? For one thing g your assuming their measure of success aligns with yours, which is presumptuous.

‘Embarrassed’ seems like it’s bit hot-takey to me.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Not that I disagree with your point but are you, as a fan and have no control of, embarrassed? Why?

Should the Flames be embarrassed? Why? For one thing g your assuming their measure of success aligns with yours, which is presumptuous.

‘Embarrassed’ seems like it’s bit hot-takey to me.

Well i said an embarrassment. I believe they are embarrassment to us fans, as a franchise who is seemingly totally opposed to employing a winning strategy. I'm not sure why you required such clarity, but you always seem to struggle with anything remotely abstract, which I'm not even sure that was.

[Goriders]

So you’d be less embarrased cheering for the Oilers over the last 20 years?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It's almost a guarantee he will have a down season in the first few. Look at any strong rookie goalie performance. It would be ok if he does too. I would personally hope for better scenarios (e.g. trading more vets and letting the team suck intentionally that way) but ultimately the team needs top end draft talent to be competitive long term. Unfortunately two finals appearances in a row have done more to validate the edmonton style build than anything the flames have accomplished since the late 80s now. What an embarrassment.

Edmonton style build?
They didn’t build a thing
They won a lottery the year a generational talent was available
That’s not a plan. That’s just luck. In fact so much luck it masks a lot of other incompetence.

[Vinny01]

Next year’s draft has a potential generational player available and could certainly change the fortunes of the flames rebuild/retool. I think the Flames need a high pick or two if they really want to build a contender long term.

If they have a crappy year I hope it is next year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

We get into these types of semantic debates but McKenna is not generational. Certainly not at a McDavid or Crosby level. MacKinnon level is probably the top end which is pretty good but even then a lot has to go right to reach that.
I would say he is a potential franchise player but not generational

[GioforPM]

The only time that Edmonton sort of tried to tank they got Nail Yakupov

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

We get into these types of semantic debates but McKenna is not generational. Certainly not at a McDavid or Crosby level. MacKinnon level is probably the top end which is pretty good but even then a lot has to go right to reach that.
I would say he is a potential franchise player but not generational

DuPont however…

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Pekkerhead

I can’t believe we are now talking about trading Wolf or hoping he has a bad year. My god people.

Good news, it's only June 1. A long offseason means a lot of stupid #### is going to be said.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, but Dupont and McKenna are not centers. A legit number one defenceman is a key part of many Championship teams. But when has a team that has an ultra stacked defence and not Star Centers winning anything? Nashville had those couple of years with that stacked D core that made the Cup finals. But ultimately lost out to the team with Letang and a rag tag group lead by Crosby and Malkin down the middle.

You could maybe look at Chicago and think they weren't great down the middle if you think Toews to have been overrated in those days, and that their defence, and Kane were the real drivers.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, but Dupont and McKenna are not centers. A legit number one defenceman is a key part of many Championship teams. But when has a team that has an ultra stacked defence and not Star Centers winning anything? Nashville had those couple of years with that stacked D core that made the Cup finals. But ultimately lost out to the team with Letang and a rag tag group lead by Crosby and Malkin down the middle.

You could maybe look at Chicago and think they weren't great down the middle if you think Toews to have been overrated in those days, and that their defence, and Kane were the real drivers.

The Ducks in 07 maybe? They had McDonald and Getzlaf 1-2 down the middle.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Edmonton style build?
They didn’t build a thing
They won a lottery the year a generational talent was available
That’s not a plan. That’s just luck. In fact so much luck it masks a lot of other incompetence.

It might have been just luck if they did it once, but instead they did it for like 10 straight years. Obviously it was flawed, but it resulted in them getting the two best offensive players in the league, who are capable of dragging an absolute dog #### roster to the cup finals, even when managed by drunk buffoon who actively make the roster worse around them.

It wasn't just luck, they purposely sucked for a long time and they were rewarded. I reject that this was just an aw shucks bumble.

I never said I would rather cheer for the oilers, but i find it harder and harder to reasonably counter or even jaw at the oilers fans I'm around these days. I can't rely on scum of the earth stuff only. Regular season is worthless. Their losing decade is further away. I hope they don't win the cup this year but either way its been basically impossible to talk down on them without seeming like a hopelessly moronic Homer.

[Monahammer]

Also jiri you're engaging in a classic catch 22. Someone who had frequently argued that oilers ownership and management is historically stupid and actively makes the wrong choices cant reasonably argue that their sustained success is now all due to luck. 2 cup finals in a row isn't luck. 5 lottery wins wasnt just luck, it was an intentional strategy to lose and optimize lottery luck. They gamed the system.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It might have been just luck if they did it once, but instead they did it for like 10 straight years. Obviously it was flawed, but it resulted in them getting the two best offensive players in the league, who are capable of dragging an absolute dog #### roster to the cup finals, even when managed by drunk buffoon who actively make the roster worse around them.

It wasn't just luck, they purposely sucked for a long time and they were rewarded. I reject that this was just an aw shucks bumble.

I never said I would rather cheer for the oilers, but i find it harder and harder to reasonably counter or even jaw at the oilers fans I'm around these days. I can't rely on scum of the earth stuff only. Regular season is worthless. Their losing decade is further away. I hope they don't win the cup this year but either way its been basically impossible to talk down on them without seeming like a hopelessly moronic Homer.

By the time they drafted McDavid they were well past the point of sucking on purpose.

It wasn't a plan.

I have respect for organizations that make a series of smart decisions to build their teams. Let's contrast the Oilers and Panthers. Yes the Panthers had a couple high picks but their championship roster was built with good drafting (Barkov, Lundell, etc), smart trades (Tkachuk, Sam, Reinhart, Montour) and good free agent signings.

The Oilers tripped over backwards to drafting a cheat-code of a player. And could win it all despite making horrible decisions every year.

If the plan is to finish at the bottom, win the lottery and do so when a player of McDavid's quality happens to be available - that's not a plan at all.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Also jiri you're engaging in a classic catch 22. Someone who had frequently argued that oilers ownership and management is historically stupid and actively makes the wrong choices cant reasonably argue that their sustained success is now all due to luck. 2 cup finals in a row isn't luck. 5 lottery wins wasnt just luck, it was an intentional strategy to lose and optimize lottery luck. They gamed the system.

I think you are giving the Oilers way too much credit to suggest they intentionally were that bad for that long.

In fact they were so confident they would be emerging from a re-build faster that they produced that dumb documentary series Oil Change which they had to then cancel because they kept losing.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If the plan is to finish at the bottom, win the lottery and do so when a player of McDavid's quality happens to be available - that's not a plan at all.

Increasing the odds of drafting a generational player is a plan. It’s a plan that doesn’t guarantee success. And it may not be plan that sits well with you. But it’s a plan.

Yzerman had a plan with the Wings. The lottery balls didn’t bounce his way, so now he has to change up his strategy. Doesn’t mean his original plan was bad.

Luck plays a big part in professional sports outcomes. Nudging those odds a little in your favour is pretty much all team management can do.