What would you tell your kids to do for a living?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don’t think anyone is arguing that it isn’t a better experience. It’s a matter of an extra $100k for two kids being a nothingburger for some families, tough but manageable for others, and completely off the table for others.

We don’t like to talk about class in our society. But going away for university is absolutely a class marker - just as anything else that involves whopping amounts of money is.

I don't know if I agree with the idea that this is related to class. When students are working, they can cover that rent/food each year, and the schooling itself is the same cost. If the argument is that there are better uses for that money, or it's expensive when you're factoring in cars and things like that, I'd agree. But a student who works for 4 months a year and part-time for the other 8 should be able to make $10-15k.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Super hard disagree from me on this unless you have wealthy parents that are paying for your schooling and accommodation/living expenses.

For people without the kind of wealth it takes to support a kid living on their own while going to school without taking on debt, then go nuts. For the vast majority, though, a gap year where you get paid to live elsewhere is the way to get that experience without saddling yourself or your family with unnecessary debt. Like, work at a ski hill or resort or cruise ship or something to get a worldly/independent-living scenario and save money for school at the same time.

Living away from home for university adds a good $20k at least to the annual cost of education. Casually adding a minimum of $80k to the cost of education is financially irresponsible when you could make that cost $0 (again, unless you're rich). Living away from home for school is an incredible luxury that is really only for the wealthy.

And even if you can afford it, you have to be able to afford it and then some or the opportunity cost of spending that money for the ####s and giggles of it is an egregious waste if it means you then don't have that $80k+ kicking around to help with start-up expenses for life (eg a down payment).

I'm insisting my kids live at home through school because I can't stomach the thought of our familial money evaporating like that. I'm not working an extra few years just so they can live in an apartment 12 minutes away from a perfectly good all-expenses-paid bedroom, stocked fridge, free reign of the basement, and essentially no rules.

F' them. Can I move in?

[Twitchy15]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

I love ya but I hate how your lazy, option class teacher friends have given you this impression of the industry. I just hope she's getting into it for the love of the work, and not for thinking it'll be easy street. Because if so and she's teaching core subjects, she'll be in for a big surprise.

yeah I think from the outside it looks like easy but depending on the grade your teaching and since covid and phones sounds like it just keeps getting harder for teachers. Probably takes a few years to get set up with your teaching plans and everything as well.

[Twitchy15]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

The faq you talking about.

You can't have #5 AND be a lawyer.

Me as a student: I'm thinking of law school
Every lawyer i said that to: Good God don't do it
Me: hahaha you're funny

Me as a law student: I'm in law school
Every lawyer: Good God don't do it
Me: hahaha you're funny

Me now: ahhhh you're weren't joking!


Seriously though. I'm going to encourage my kids to do what they want, find something they don't hate and to work hard at it.

Ideally, something with a good pension and that has good benefits.

yeah I wouldn't really consider a lawyer a job someone is stoked to do. Even if you enjoy it you would constantly be bringing work home and on your mind which is a big con.

[Twitchy15]

Originally Posted by firebug

Help....

My daughter has been accepted into engineering at UofA and the Math program at UofC.

She's been unable to make a decision and I don't want to make the decision for her.

What would future opportunities look like between them?

We live out towards Priddis so while UofC is closer it'll be a crappy commute. She is really good at math but not a savant/prodigy and my concern is that she'll need to be competing with those sorts in the math program.

what does a math degree do for you though? will she pursue something further? I use to work with someone with a math degree and they couldn't get a job and switched careers to healthcare.

[Locke]

Theres never a shortage of opportunities for Exotic Dancers...

You want a recession-proof job?

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Locke

There's never a shortage of opportunities for Exotic Dancers...

You want a recession-proof job?

You must do a TON of taxes for dancers. Do they declare the loonies and twoonies? Is glitter a write-off? Are bolt-ons a write-off? How far off the primary circuit do fat, hairy, ex-lawyers have to go to get a gig?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Titan2

You must do a TON of taxes for dancers. Do they declare the loonies and twoonies? Is glitter a write-off? Are bolt-ons a write-off? How far off the primary circuit do fat, hairy, ex-lawyers have to go to get a gig?

Well. Actually...I have. And I can answer those questions but I'd rather not on a public forum.

What I will disclose is, for one dancer I did taxes for I did successfully argue with the CRA that her new breasts were tax deductible as they were business assets that generated taxable revenue.

That was....that was a conversation. I didn't think they were going to buy that one but lo and behold now here we are...

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well. Actually...I have. And I can answer those questions but I'd rather not on a public forum.

What I will disclose is, for one dancer I did taxes for I did successfully argue with the CRA that her new breasts were tax deductible as they were business assets that generated taxable revenue.

That was....that was a conversation. I didn't think they were going to buy that one but lo and behold now here we are...

I've seen that movie.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Never said it had anything to do with "trades". Tiling for 40 years is hard on the body. It's not a complicated thing to understand.

Point being, lots of jobs are hard on the body. Hell I know people that got surgery for carpal tunnel, sitting at a computer. And too many people that dropped dead from heart attacks/strokes from being fat, presumably from work stress and a sedentary work situation.

[Nancy]

Canadian youth hammered by vanishing summer job market

Canada’s youth are staring down the worst summer jobs market in two decades; the latest sign of a Canadian economy whose shortcomings are disproportionately hammering the young.

According to new data published by the job site Indeed, summer job listings are down 22 per cent as compared to this time last year.

Related Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comm...ng_summer_job/

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Canadian youth hammered by vanishing summer job market





Related Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comm...ng_summer_job/

Can verify. My kids couldn’t find a job at all last summer. They were fortunate to land a job this year. But after sending out resumes to 30+ places with posted jobs, it was the only place they even heard back from.

The Canadian labour market is absolutely glutted with 21-26 year olds. Makes it extremely hard for a 17 year old to get a summer or part-time job when employers can access a huge pool of 20-somethings willing and able to work entry-level positions as permanent full-time employees.

[Sliver]

Canadian Tire always seems to be hiring. My 17-year-old son has worked there a while now. It's an awesome job. Works with tons of fun kids his age, he get about 20,000 steps/shift, and they're really good/nice to these young people.

I'm not saying there are enough jobs out there for all the kids, nor am I saying our experience can be applied to everyone. Just saying if you have a kid looking for a job, I recommend trying to get in at CT. It has been great for my kid.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Canadian youth hammered by vanishing summer job market





Related Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comm...ng_summer_job/

I had this very conversation with my 19yr son.

He works for a buddy of mine doing construction.

makes $22/hr as unskilled labour.

He doesn't really like it.

I told him to look for another job.

He is going to tough it out

[indes]

I have a couple of coworkers with daughters aged 18 & 21, they're at 130 resumes submitted between them and can't find jobs in Edmonton. Anything from fast food to retail they aren't even getting callbacks.

[Kybosh]

Apropos of nothing, my 4 year old son calls my office downtown a "business castle" and now I keep calling it that to my colleagues.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by indes

I have a couple of coworkers with daughters aged 18 & 21, they're at 130 resumes submitted between them and can't find jobs in Edmonton. Anything from fast food to retail they aren't even getting callbacks.

People who aren’t in that age range or have kids in it have no idea how tough it is out there right now. The combination of a slowing economy (it’s not official, but we’re entering a recession), tariffs, and a huge glut of low-skilled workers who recently arrived as TFWs or students has made for a dire employment situation for young people.

It’s going to take years and years for the job market to absorb that many people in the same demographic all looking for work, even once the recession is in the rear-view mirror. The federal government got panicked by the Covid labour shortage and completely caved in to business lobbyists by massively increasing the low-skilled labour supply.

[opendoor]

It's not surprising that youth unemployment is rising. As the general unemployment rate rises like it has the last couple of years, they have to increasingly compete with adults who are out of work. And when you can hire an adult with experience and more availability, hiring a teenager or someone in their early 20s can be a bit of a tough sell.

That said, statistics wise we're not seeing anything too abnormal, so I don't know that the histrionics are necessarily warranted. The 20-year average youth unemployment rate is 12.8% and we've been at 13.4% over the last 12 months. The participation rate is down a bit which may be masking things a little, but that is likely also counteracted by higher education participation. For instance, the so-called NEET group aged 15-24 (not in employment, education, or training) is at historic lows for this century.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Canadian Tire always seems to be hiring. My 17-year-old son has worked there a while now. It's an awesome job. Works with tons of fun kids his age, he get about 20,000 steps/shift, and they're really good/nice to these young people.

I'm not saying there are enough jobs out there for all the kids, nor am I saying our experience can be applied to everyone. Just saying if you have a kid looking for a job, I recommend trying to get in at CT. It has been great for my kid.

Many, many, many things must have changed. Because that job sucked out loud when I worked it.

Southland/MacLeod!

Hopefully he doesnt work Auto Parts, the Garden Centre and Sporting Goods guys always seemed like they had more fun.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Locke

Many, many, many things must have changed. Because that job sucked out loud when I worked it.

Southland/MacLeod!

Hopefully he doesnt work Auto Parts, the Garden Centre and Sporting Goods guys always seemed like they had more fun.

That's the one...he said they still have your picture on the dartboard in the breakroom.