2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder if Farabee with a small + could get 14th OA? Counting stats didnt have him much better here than philly, but his advanced stats were good and I thought eye test had him as a pretty good player just unlucky. I don't see a long term spot for him here personally, but seems like he could be a great 3rd liner for CBJ

Farabee fits the mold of a depth player that plays on a winning team. I would keep all players that have potential but also could slot down the lineup as you develop more talent.

IMO, he does not land you 14 unless the + is a decent add.

Teams that win the cup have top 6 forwards that either are so good offensively that you can't stop them or they have elite players that play a 200 foot game.

Barkov, Kopitar, Bergeron, Eichel, O'Reilly (to lesser extent) are guys that are known to play against elite players and score on them.

Or

Crosby, Malkin, Kucherov, Point, Mackinnon, Rantanen, Ovechkin.

Winning teams have these players and then have role players in the bottom 6. Farabee, I see could be that player who could play 2nd or 3rd line. Be effective in playoffs. Similar to Pospisil.

Flames issue when playing elite teams is Backlund is the only guy we trust to play against elite talent. Elite talent can play 22-26 minutes in any given game in the playoffs. If you want Backlund out against Mackinnon or McDavid every shift, are you playing Backlund 26 minutes? Playing Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Lindholm 15 minutes?

The focus needs to be on the right players.

Farabee and FLA 1st for 14 might make sense, but 14 isn't getting us the guy we need, and I doubt that offer gets us 14.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Quite a few teams willing to move "mid" first round picks this year likely speaks to the quality of the draft outside the top 10.

To me this signals further reason to draft for potential and take the risk.
Calgary had an amazing draft last year, I hope the same can be had this year.
My ideal scenario would be flipping Andersson into another 1st and the packaging 2 picks to get higher/maybe into top 10.

This should be the agenda, if you can't get it done you look at picks down the road. IMO there are maybe 6 centers that could get me excited if we get 1 of them. Someone might fall too, I would be very excited to get McQueen or O'Brien or Desnoyers, or Fondell. Thinking McQueen or O'brien is our best bet and I would be very excited to get either of them. Make it happen Craig

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I would be very excited to get McQueen or O'Brien or Desnoyers, or Fondell. Thinking McQueen or O'brien is our best bet and I would be very excited to get either of them. Make it happen Craig

I'd add Bear to that list, hope he drops down some lists due to the time he missed to end the year.

Desnoyers & Frondell I think go at a spot too early for us to trade into.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Don't the Penguins have Letang and Karlsson?

Karlsson - 34 years old
Letang - 38 years old (not the song by the Hip)

Andersson - 28 years old.

Other notable Penguin defense:
Graves - 30 years old
Grzelcyk - 31 years old (UFA)
Timmins - 26 years old (RFA)
Joseph - 25 years old (RFA)


Maybe they see a need to add Andersson to make their defense younger!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder if Farabee with a small + could get 14th OA? Counting stats didnt have him much better here than philly, but his advanced stats were good and I thought eye test had him as a pretty good player just unlucky. I don't see a long term spot for him here personally, but seems like he could be a great 3rd liner for CBJ

14oa for a player making decent coin and projects as a third liner?

When Calagry got him he was basically a cap dump by Philly.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

14oa for a player making decent coin and projects as a third liner?

When Calagry got him he was basically a cap dump by Philly.

Farabee is not worth much. Andersson + Farabee as a toss in might get the 14th

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by FanSince'01

Hey Royle, from everything you've heard thus far and it looking like both parties are going to mutually part ways, how would you handicap the likelihood that Raz moves by the draft vs. later in the offseason vs. at the deadline?

I think "if" he's moved its at the draft.
Both the team and the player don't want this to drag out, it would make sense for both sides for Calgary to trade him now and maximize the return with this year being such a steal in terms of cap hit.

[FanSince'01]

Thanks, always appreciate your insights (and Diss and Sec and everyone with ties to info!)

I too hope it's at the draft as Draft Day is probably my favourite day of the hockey calendar year.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I think "if" he's moved its at the draft.
Both the team and the player don't want this to drag out, it would make sense for both sides for Calgary to trade him now and maximize the return with this year being such a steal in terms of cap hit.

I do wonder, though, if Andersson and the Flames wait until July 1st to get a sense for how far apart they are on contract. I'd like to see him moved at the draft if they are going to part ways, though. I just wonder if both sides want to explore contract demands to stay here first.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by HitterD

I do wonder, though, if Andersson and the Flames wait until July 1st to get a sense for how far apart they are on contract. I'd like to see him moved at the draft if they are going to part ways, though. I just wonder if both sides want to explore contract demands to stay here first.

I think both sides know where they're at in terms of contract.
It's been discussed going back to last year, its going to take Calgary paying more for him to stay in Calgary long term, and honestly I get the vibe that Andersson would like to move on anyway.

I think he comes in somewhere north of 8M at this point.
Really doesn't make sense from Calgary's perspective given where we're at and what we have.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by HitterD

I do wonder, though, if Andersson and the Flames wait until July 1st to get a sense for how far apart they are on contract. I'd like to see him moved at the draft if they are going to part ways, though. I just wonder if both sides want to explore contract demands to stay here first.

I would way rather get picks in 2025 than 2026 unless they vary vastly. 1 additional year of development by 2026.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Icon

I'd add Bear to that list, hope he drops down some lists due to the time he missed to end the year.

Desnoyers & Frondell I think go at a spot too early for us to trade into.

There is a lot of players that would be a great add for the Flames. But we need a #1 center, and we need to hit on a player that in 3-4 years could be labeled the best player from this draft. I think O'Brien or McQueen could be that player

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I think both sides know where they're at in terms of contract.
It's been discussed going back to last year, its going to take Calgary paying more for him to stay in Calgary long term, and honestly I get the vibe that Andersson would like to move on anyway.

I think he comes in somewhere north of 8M at this point.
Really doesn't make sense from Calgary's perspective given where we're at and what we have.

Thank you for this, i've often wondered how that works behind the scenes. July 1st of the last contract year being the first day teams are allowed to negotiate with the player, but the GM and agents must be throwing out theoretical ideas long before they are allowed to officially negotiate.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Thank you for this, i've often wondered how that works behind the scenes. July 1st of the last contract year being the first day teams are allowed to negotiate with the player, but the GM and agents must be throwing out theoretical ideas long before they are allowed to officially negotiate.

Craig has been fielding offers on Rasmus since last deadline day, he knows where the value is and he knows what the player wants for his next contract.

I honestly believe if the Flames weren't so stubbornly bad at being terrible, and were not in a playoff spot going into the deadline that Andersson would have been 100% moved.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Craig has been fielding offers on since last deadline day, he knows where the value is and he knows what the player wants for his next contract.

I honestly believe if the Flames weren't so stubbornly bad at being terrible, and were not in a playoff spot going into the deadline that Andersson would have been 100% moved.

Similarly to the Markstrom situation, I'm hopeful that Conroy can still extract good value for him ahead of the draft then. It would be great to add another top 15 pick, and possibly trade up for one of the better C's in this draft.

[Vinny01]

I think the Flames veteran 6 have all been key figures in how this past season played out but by the time this team is truly ready to make a run it is highly unlikely many if any of them will remain but here is how I think each should be handled:

Andersson - this is the easiest one for me but it is clear a move makes the most sense for the Flames. Sure if Andersson was willing to do a 6x6 I would keep him but he is going to want significantly more money than that and I assume he will try and push for the max length of term. With Parekh ready to step in it makes this move even more obvious. I think the Flames should trade him between the lead up to the draft and shortly after the start of free agency. Flames absolutely should consider retaining 50% on a deal

Coleman - no immediate rush to deal him but the clock starts ticking in season. I think Coleman has been a very solid free agent signing and a better version of Frolik. His reputation is solid and he would be a huge get for any contending team looking for 2 runs. I think he becomes a huge trade piece for the Flames at the deadline if the team is out of the race. At 50% retained for 2 runs at $2.45M he could get the flames a bigger return than Andersson

The other 4 I am keeping unless they come and ask out. Bscklund I would re-sign to an extension and let him play here another couple years. He might need to transition to 4C as soon as next year but there is a spot for him. Kadri and Weegar are 2 of the teams best players and bring the right attitude. By all accounts these guys want to be here and be part of a winning team. I have all day for both players and if they want to stay then more than happy to keep them. If something changes and they want out it should not be a problem as both are providing great value for their contracts (Weegar more so but Kadri has been worth every penny). Lastly Huberdeau is stuck here and he is at least doing all the right things. He has always had an unreal attitude (outwardly) and we can all see he is trying to change his game. He was very successful at it last year and if he keeps going maybe that deal becomes tradeable? Maybe there is another compliance buyout coming with the next CBA negotiations? Shy of those 2 things I feel like Huberdeau is here to stay.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think the Flames veteran 6 have all been key figures in how this past season played out but by the time this team is truly ready to make a run it is highly unlikely many if any of them will remain but here is how I think each should be handled:

Andersson - this is the easiest one for me but it is clear a move makes the most sense for the Flames. Sure if Andersson was willing to do a 6x6 I would keep him but he is going to want significantly more money than that and I assume he will try and push for the max length of term. With Parekh ready to step in it makes this move even more obvious. I think the Flames should trade him between the lead up to the draft and shortly after the start of free agency. Flames absolutely should consider retaining 50% on a deal

Coleman - no immediate rush to deal him but the clock starts ticking in season. I think Coleman has been a very solid free agent signing and a better version of Frolik. His reputation is solid and he would be a huge get for any contending team looking for 2 runs. I think he becomes a huge trade piece for the Flames at the deadline if the team is out of the race. At 50% retained for 2 runs at $2.45M he could get the flames a bigger return than Andersson

The other 4 I am keeping unless they come and ask out. Backlund I would re-sign to an extension and let him play here another couple years. He might need to transition to 4C as soon as next year but there is a spot for him. Kadri and Weegar are 2 of the teams best players and bring the right attitude. By all accounts these guys want to be here and be part of a winning team. I have all day for both players and if they want to stay then more than happy to keep them. If something changes and they want out it should not be a problem as both are providing great value for their contracts (Weegar more so but Kadri has been worth every penny). Lastly Huberdeau is stuck here and he is at least doing all the right things. He has always had an unreal attitude (outwardly) and we can all see he is trying to change his game. He was very successful at it last year and if he keeps going maybe that deal becomes tradeable? Maybe there is another compliance buyout coming with the next CBA negotiations? Shy of those 2 things I feel like Huberdeau is here to stay.

It's not often that someone makes a long post and I agree with 100% of it, but here it is.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by D as in David

After coming over in the trade, Frost was easily the best at entering the O-zone with the puck. Few other members on this team were capable of doing this consistently. Also, the best in the face-off circle, I believe. Those are important skills for a PP.

Yup. The other player who showed he could do that was Zary prior to his injuries. I feel like I'm on an island though reading through so many posts where it would appear that people don't seem to have as high of an outlook for Zary as I do. Even listening to Steinberg, he isn't really sold on him. Prior to his first injury, I thought Zary looked awesome and was really the only player who could stick handle through players and keep possession and then drive to the net to create a chance for himself. I get that he looked meh after his injuries, but that should be expected no? I'm not done with him yet at least.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I would way rather get picks in 2025 than 2026 unless they vary vastly. 1 additional year of development by 2026.

I have the opposite view. I think this draft is poor. I would kick the picks down the road.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have the opposite view. I think this draft is poor. I would kick the picks down the road.

I agree and to add to it, another year for Conroy to develop existing prospects and make decision might be needed.

Once contracts come up, decision need to be made and in most cases, you need to commit to the player.

Coronato got the commitment.

Frost - big decision with limited time with the player. If you sign him 5+ year, you just committed to the player.

Zary, Bahl and Wolf too. Once you commit to all these guys, they need to be the guys or happy to slide down the lineup if they don't play well and have a contract where that makes sense.

Bahl for me easily will get money that is ok for a 3rd pairing guy

Zary is another tricky player, don't see him being happy in a 3rd/4th line role as he has potential to be more. Good thing is we can bridge him and make that call later. But with a bridge contract he's here for 2-3 more.

Wolf is an easy one, but goalies can be tricky too.