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Old 05-23-2025, 07:25 AM   #10421
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The Democrats have a relatively simple problem it's just they have never seemed to recognize either the question (why do we get shellacked routinely?) or the answer

It's all about image, nothing else, the voters have no clue what policies or there effect and dont care until those policies become the leopards that eat their face.

If you run a black guy he has to not sound black, your best bet with a white guy is someone that sounds rural, preferably a bit southern, obviously Jewish or New England is absolute poison

If I'm the Dem's I'm looking for a GW Bush/Clinton look and sound alike, folksy and middle/working class
Voters don't care or understand about the details of policies for the most part, but you need an overall message that is not status quo.

One reason for Harris failing was running as a moderate centrist and cozying up to widely hated/disliked establishment figures from both parties.
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Old 05-23-2025, 07:33 AM   #10422
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Voters don't care or understand about the details of policies for the most part, but you need an overall message that is not status quo.

One reason for Harris failing was running as a moderate centrist and cozying up to widely hated/disliked establishment figures from both parties.
Most voters don't know ANYTHING.

One of the top Google searches in the US on the day of the election was "Did Joe Biden drop out?" They had no idea he wasn't running.

https://www.latintimes.com/did-joe-b...-harris-564875

https://www.10news.com/news/fact-or-...spiked-tuesday

In general - people who are informed and watch the news voted for Harris. Everyone else voted for Trump.

He loves his low information voters.

Anyway - Policy seems to matter very little unless they know who you are.
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Old 05-23-2025, 07:35 AM   #10423
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One reason for Harris failing is the US has far more people like this than anyone cares to admit.


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Ya, they'll be voting for a women any day now.
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Old 05-23-2025, 08:16 AM   #10424
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Again, she was VP. She could have been president at any point if Biden had croaked.

In fact an argument could be made that when Biden dtopped out he should have resigned as well so Harris would run and be seen as the president. Look at the boost it gave Carney as PM while there were doubts about PP.
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Old 05-23-2025, 08:17 AM   #10425
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She could have been president if the man people voted for died. I said they won't be VOTING for a women president. These are different things.
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She could have been president if the man people voted for died. I said they won't be VOTING for a women president. These are different things.
Voting for a woman on the ticket is pretty much the sane thing because she could be president anytime. Remember when choosing Sarah Palin backfired?
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Old 05-23-2025, 08:34 AM   #10427
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Voting for a woman on the ticket is pretty much the sane thing because she could be president anytime. Remember when choosing Sarah Palin backfired?
Nobody votes for a VP though.

They just vote against them.
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One reason for Harris failing is the US has far more people like this than anyone cares to admit.



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Ya, they'll be voting for a women any day now.
This man is not from a Slurpee rich culture.
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Voting for a woman on the ticket is pretty much the sane thing because she could be president anytime. Remember when choosing Sarah Palin backfired?
I'd wager a good 20% of those voting BIDEN/HARRIS probably didn't even know Harris was a women.
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Pritzker is awesome. But can't see it happening nationally
I dont know enough about him but do see what he is doing as positioning for a run
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Nobody votes for a VP though.

They just vote against them.
Right, why didn't they vote against her as VP? because Trump was worse. But 4 years later, voters decided Trump wasn't so worse.
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I'd wager a good 20% of those voting BIDEN/HARRIS probably didn't even know Harris was a women.
Those are Democrat voters, not republican.
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Old 05-23-2025, 09:11 AM   #10433
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Those are Democrat voters, not republican.
And? Being Democrat doesn't mean they automatically know anything about who they are voting for. Many people vote D with the same consistency and reasoning people vote R. because they always have, and can't imagine doing anything different. So why care who is up for election? Vote D. And if they do know that Harris is not a dude and aren't comfortable with that? I bet those are ones that stayed home that round.
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One of the hardliners is now in step to vote for the budget bill because they have removed the tax on silencers. Yes, that is true.


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Oh I don’t know, I don’t think the Democrats need to change a thing. Trump’s “big beautiful” tax bill passed the House by only 1 vote. 3 extra Democratic votes from the 3 geriatric House members who have died in office in the last few months might have been helpful in stopping the bill. And the last 8 House members to die in office have all been Democrats, so I expect that will continue because they keep nominating 75-80 year olds.
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Term limits would be great. You aren't qualified to run for President if you're 34, but it's cool to be in a fully childlike state in your 80's. It's already ageist one way...

Won't happen of course. We're in the consequence free timeline for baddies.
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Right, why didn't they vote against her as VP? because Trump was worse. But 4 years later, voters decided Trump wasn't so worse.
Some folks keep ignoring the fact that a compromised media that normalized and failed to hold Trump accountable for felonies, sexual assault and an attempt to overthrow the government, alongside a huge disinformation campaign, is what put Trump back in the WH. It’s astounding people think we’re living in normal times. Look how much money oligarchs like Elon Musk spent flooding the zone, spreading disinformation in key swing states and the constant barrage of disinformation over social media as well as the MSM. Trump was also nonsensical and in obvious cognitive decline throughout 2024 at his rallies and during interviews, and there was hardly any push back. But the MSM just projected about Joe Biden being or played fabricated both sides games.
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Maybe this belongs in the Canada politics thread, but I just simply can't wrap my mind around the cult of politicians following him like lemmings.

Reason being is that I have contemplated a few times getting into politics myself because I want to help my community, riding, province, country etc. I loved Evan Solomon's interview on election night where he said he wanted to help Canadians and protect them from the US. I believed him.

I have no desire for "power" or prestige - I just think a lot of people currently in politics are idiots and I could do a better job. I would do it for the constituents, then leave if I felt the job was done.

These people? They are doing it for him and their own personal gain. Why not just stay in private sector business and get rich that way?
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Maybe this belongs in the Canada politics thread, but I just simply can't wrap my mind around the cult of politicians following him like lemmings.

Reason being is that I have contemplated a few times getting into politics myself because I want to help my community, riding, province, country etc. I loved Evan Solomon's interview on election night where he said he wanted to help Canadians and protect them from the US. I believed him.

I have no desire for "power" or prestige - I just think a lot of people currently in politics are idiots and I could do a better job. I would do it for the constituents, then leave if I felt the job was done.

These people? They are doing it for him and their own personal gain. Why not just stay in private sector business and get rich that way?
Their own gain is one part of it. But Cheney and Kinzinger also stated that members of congress were threatened with violence.
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