2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Pens are probably looking at the Washington turn around and trying to figure out if they can do something similar and take advantage of Sid’s last years - both as a player but also as a revenue driver for the team

A draft pick who will play 2-3 years down the line best case isn’t helping that

Sure, but Washington’s drafting has been extremely impressive as of late. They’ve drafted Leonard, Cristall, and the other Hutson. The Penguins aren’t necessarily that good in that aspect. But, you’re absolutely right that they should be trying to acquire players since they do suck at drafting.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

"Hey Rasmus, it's your childhood idol Nick Lidstrom. Stevie and I really want you to come play in Detroit"

I think his feelings probably change pretty quick.

I think it was a pretty jarring experience for him there. It wasn’t just an accident, I’ve heard from reliable sources. That said, it could have happened in a lot of US cities.

[Ped]

Couple of free agent signings out of the World Championships.


Tampa Bay signs Wojciech Stachowiak off the German team. Undrafted, 25 years old, has been playing in Germany. Spent two seasons with Michigan State and a year in the USHL.


Vancouver signs Anris Ravinskis from Latvia. Also undrafted, 23 years old, spent the last two seasons in Finland. Also played two seasons in the QMJHL.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Proposed 2025 1st and 2025 2nd for him.
2025 1st would be 11th, which would be in the area where a guy like McQueen could fall.
I would do it

I would also take an 2026 1st in hopes it's even worse.
Do it.

I'll pay for the gas for the private jet to send Rasmus to Pittsburgh tonight if thats the return we can expect from them.

Make it so Craig.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Why is everyone so obsessed with a 25 year old player (Pinto) who hasn't even hit 40 points in his career? Give me a high ceiling, younger prospect any day over that.

His PPG over 82 games is actually a bit higher than Frost and Farabee, at 42.

And Calagry was excited to obtain them.

Pinto is the exact type of player Conroy is trying to obtain.

Whether that turns out to be a good idea is another question altogether.

[The Original FFIV]

Columbus has put both their firsts in play (14 and 20). Are they potential landing spot for Rasmus?

https://t.co/9e6SMoqwPZ

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Columbus has put both their firsts in play (14 and 20). Are they potential landing spot for Rasmus?

https://t.co/9e6SMoqwPZ

If it gets the Flames a shot at a C that won’t be there at 18, definitely.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Columbus has put both their firsts in play (14 and 20). Are they potential landing spot for Rasmus?

https://t.co/9e6SMoqwPZ

The article suggests Columbus will be set on defence if they re-sign Provorov, and they’ll be looking for help up front instead. With an RD depth chart of Provorov - Fabbro - Severson - Gudbranson that’s probably correct.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If Frost is playing lots of PP time, you are not a very good team.

But if Minny doesn't want to pay Rossi the big bucks, that's telling you something.

It's not about the PP time for me, it's overall ice time that matters. Frost is an RFA, you pick up Rossi why sign him?

Unless you move Backlund or Kadri, I like that idea, but nothing is suggesting that that will actually happen.

A lot of talk recently about size and skill of players. IMO you can win with small skill players in your top 6. The key though for me is those small skilled players are not soft. They don't need to be physical, they just can't disappear when games get rough.

To me there is a clear trend for teams that win and how they construct their bottom 6.

You need players that will play the role and more than likely be good on the PK. They typically have veterans who used to be top 6 but are now accepting a bottom 6 role late in the careers. They also have players that have high end speed or play a very physical forechecking game.

Staal, Seguin, Benn and Marchand playing lessor roles on great teams. Henrique to a lesser extent is also playing down from where he used to play.

Marchment, Janmark, Fredric, Brown, Rodriguez, Greer, Luostarinen, Carrier.

We need guys at the bottom who play better in the playoffs than the Regular season, while rebuilding you can slot guys with potential down there to get their feet wet in the league, but to win you need these types of guys and probably a veteran presence.

Adding Rossi puts Huska in a tough spot with Backlund and Kadri, of course we can all say play them less but when the games starts and you're the coach...can you? Backlund is still the best on the team at matching elite players and Kadri is still the best center on the team. Rossi and Frost both fit in the same slot, if you want to keep both I would say Kadri has to go.

Long term Rossi isn't a #1 center, but Frost could evolve into a Backlund so I would just keep him and keep my picks if Rossi is the best we can do. Need much better than Rossi.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

His PPG over 82 games is actually a bit higher than Frost and Farabee, at 42.

And Calagry was excited to obtain them.

Pinto is the exact type of player Conroy is trying to obtain.

Whether that turns out to be a good idea is another question altogether.

I just wanted to add that he's a right shot center that has been scoring at a 20G pace in each of the last 3 seasons. Moreover, he was playing at a 52 point pace 2 years ago, and averaged a 42 point pace over the last 3 seasons.

As far as the analytics are concerned he was used in a more defensive role last year, with 32.3% OZ starts. All the while pushing the play up the ice with an xG% of 52.4% 5on5, and a very respectable 2.31xGA/60. Those are pretty similar numbers to Backlund who had an xG% of 53.0% and xGA/60 of 2.32. Admittedly Backlund did it against tougher competition.

I think that Pinto at his peak will become a 60 point center, that's decent defensively, and can use his 6'3" frame to his advantage.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The article suggests Columbus will be set on defence if they re-sign Provorov, and they’ll be looking for help up front instead. With an RD depth chart of Provorov - Fabbro - Severson - Gudbranson that’s probably correct.

D’oh

Ok, huberdeau for 14 overall. Who says no?

[CFO]

The likelihood of a guy like Rossi making a top line impact in the playoffs is small. Players at 5'9" rarely drive offensive in the playoffs or standup to the grinding physical aspect.

Pass.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I just wanted to add that he's a right shot center that has been scoring at a 20G pace in each of the last 3 seasons. Moreover, he was playing at a 52 point pace 2 years ago, and averaged a 42 point pace over the last 3 seasons.

As far as the analytics are concerned he was used in a more defensive role last year, with 32.3% OZ starts. All the while pushing the play up the ice with an xG% of 52.4% 5on5, and a very respectable 2.31xGA/60. Those are pretty similar numbers to Backlund who had an xG% of 53.0% and xGA/60 of 2.32. Admittedly Backlund did it against tougher competition.

I think that Pinto at his peak will become a 60 point center, that's decent defensively, and can use his 6'3" frame to his advantage.

Peaking as a #2 center. Same spot where flames hope frost lands in the near future.

[Icon]

I think too many people are worried about available space for acquired players through signings or trade.

If Conroy gets an opportunity to sign or trade for a young C with upside (a potential top 6 player), just f'n do it. Don't worry about where they slot in this year vs. Kadri or Frost or Zary or whoever, just bring them in. Flames are starving for additional talent, especially players who could be difference makers as the prospects we have start to enter the league over the next 2-5 years.

Worst case scenario we have too many good players for not enough spots, which gives us the opportunity to either package some together for an upgrade, or continue to stock the cupboards to not really need to go "all in" as fast, etc. Plus of course injuries happen or someone doesn't look as good as expected at camp, whatever.

Just seems short sighted to say we don't have room on the depth chart for a Pinto/Rossi/whoever, or worry about who gets powerplay time and who doesn't. Bring in more assets. Easier to figure it out once they're here than worry about it in advance and end up missing out and have less options in the end instead.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I just wanted to add that he's a right shot center that has been scoring at a 20G pace in each of the last 3 seasons. Moreover, he was playing at a 52 point pace 2 years ago, and averaged a 42 point pace over the last 3 seasons.

As far as the analytics are concerned he was used in a more defensive role last year, with 32.3% OZ starts. All the while pushing the play up the ice with an xG% of 52.4% 5on5, and a very respectable 2.31xGA/60. Those are pretty similar numbers to Backlund who had an xG% of 53.0% and xGA/60 of 2.32. Admittedly Backlund did it against tougher competition.

I think that Pinto at his peak will become a 60 point center, that's decent defensively, and can use his 6'3" frame to his advantage.

I don't mind picking up Pinto as he is the type of player than could progress into at #2 center but if not fits the mold of a #3 center on a championship team. Problem is, in Ottawa he has played 18 and 17 a night for 2 seasons. That won't work here unless we move a player out. Frost had the same dip in his ice from Philly to Calgary. Pinto would be a good add if we moved Kadri, but that doesn't sound like that will happen and Frost returns way less than the cost to add Pinto. Because of this, I would say it doesn't make sense to add Pinto unless we trade Kadri.

Go for the better long-term assets in a Rasmus trade for now.

[Royle9]

Quite a few teams willing to move "mid" first round picks this year likely speaks to the quality of the draft outside the top 10.

To me this signals further reason to draft for potential and take the risk.
Calgary had an amazing draft last year, I hope the same can be had this year.
My ideal scenario would be flipping Andersson into another 1st and the packaging 2 picks to get higher/maybe into top 10.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think too many people are worried about available space for acquired players through signings or trade.

If Conroy gets an opportunity to sign or trade for a young C with upside (a potential top 6 player), just f'n do it. Don't worry about where they slot in this year vs. Kadri or Frost or Zary or whoever, just bring them in. Flames are starving for additional talent, especially players who could be difference makers as the prospects we have start to enter the league over the next 2-5 years.

Worst case scenario we have too many good players for not enough spots, which gives us the opportunity to either package some together for an upgrade, or continue to stock the cupboards to not really need to go "all in" as fast, etc. Plus of course injuries happen or someone doesn't look as good as expected at camp, whatever.

Just seems short sighted to say we don't have room on the depth chart for a Pinto/Rossi/whoever, or worry about who gets powerplay time and who doesn't. Bring in more assets. Easier to figure it out once they're here than worry about it in advance and end up missing out and have less options in the end instead.

No the worse case you surrender assets in picks and prospects , these players don’t improve or regress , and you have a bunch of 15 - 20 goal scorers who are now 27-28 making 5-6 million and less prospect pipeline while missing playoffs

Frosts and Pintos and Rossis of the NHL are available for a reason . You better be sure what you are trading for , especially giving up picks or prospects

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think too many people are worried about available space for acquired players through signings or trade.

If Conroy gets an opportunity to sign or trade for a young C with upside (a potential top 6 player), just f'n do it. Don't worry about where they slot in this year vs. Kadri or Frost or Zary or whoever, just bring them in. Flames are starving for additional talent, especially players who could be difference makers as the prospects we have start to enter the league over the next 2-5 years.

Worst case scenario we have too many good players for not enough spots, which gives us the opportunity to either package some together for an upgrade, or continue to stock the cupboards to not really need to go "all in" as fast, etc. Plus of course injuries happen or someone doesn't look as good as expected at camp, whatever.

Just seems short sighted to say we don't have room on the depth chart for a Pinto/Rossi/whoever, or worry about who gets powerplay time and who doesn't. Bring in more assets. Easier to figure it out once they're here than worry about it in advance and end up missing out and have less options in the end instead.

Bringing in more talented players via trade or free agency is great and who wouldn't want Conroy to do that. But, from a player management perspective, if we don't move any of our non-waiver eligible forwards (at least 12 of them) via trade before rosters have to be set there's a very real possibility the Flames are losing someone for nothing. I don't think Conroy can sneak anyone through the waiver wire this year. Maybe that's not a big deal, but I think it's a consideration at the very least.

[Monahammer]

I wonder if Farabee with a small + could get 14th OA? Counting stats didnt have him much better here than philly, but his advanced stats were good and I thought eye test had him as a pretty good player just unlucky. I don't see a long term spot for him here personally, but seems like he could be a great 3rd liner for CBJ

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Quite a few teams willing to move "mid" first round picks this year likely speaks to the quality of the draft outside the top 10.

To me this signals further reason to draft for potential and take the risk.
Calgary had an amazing draft last year, I hope the same can be had this year.
My ideal scenario would be flipping Andersson into another 1st and the packaging 2 picks to get higher/maybe into top 10.

Hey Royle, from everything you've heard thus far and it looking like both parties are going to mutually part ways, how would you handicap the likelihood that Raz moves by the draft vs. later in the offseason vs. at the deadline?