Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Are you under the impression that in 2023 Canada post is shipping half of the parcels they did in 2019?

This dispute is a mess for a lot of reasons but man these misleading stats/arguments aren’t helpful.

no, as that's not what the article stated.

the statement in the article said the percentage of packages Canada Post delivers has gone from 62% to 30%, not that the number they delivered has decreased.

I can believe that.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

no, as that's not what the article stated.

the statement in the article said the percentage of packages Canada Post delivers has gone from 62% to 30%, not that the number they delivered has decreased.

I can believe that.

The point I’m making is that it is a fairly irrelevant stat as it relates to the viability of Canada Post as a whole. Especially without providing any context surrounding the boom in online delivery over that period and how Amazon and their numerous 3rd party affiliates took a big chunk out of every major delivery company’s market share. Yet it continually gets pointed to as if it’s an argument for why the business is in the shape it is in.

It’d be like owning the only restaurant in town that is booked solid every night and having a competitor open up next door where those who couldn’t get a reservation at the other place would go to. The first restaurant’s share of the meals served in town would go down but since it remains booked solid every night and selling the same number of meals overall the business didn’t suffer as a result. So it’d be silly for the business to try and present itself as being hurt by the drop in market share.

[kermitology]

Why are we talking about Canada Post as a business instead of a federal service? Why is it expected to be profitable?

[dammage79]

This might be where the strength of a union is their own undoing. I'm all for door to door delivery but physical media has been dying for a decade now. Hell, paper billing is almost gone too as utility corps make their moves to online customer services. Including billing.

Look at Banks, they're pretty much done with paper.

Canada Post to me right now, is a barebones package delivery operation and a wastefull flyer delivery system. Everything is soon to be digital.

I don't see how Canada Post continues on in this current format. Won't surprise me when they turn to amazon style delivery subcontracts and do away with unionized in house labor. They're the last bastion of non gig work.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think younger Canadians may be underestimating just how attached to mail old people are. Flamesfever has opened my eyes. I am now aware. I still don't care.

Stand in line at a bank and marvel at all the seniors with bill envelopes in hand to pay. Maybe it's an excuse for them to get out of the house but I assume most feel intimidated by online banking on a computer or don't trust it.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Why are we talking about Canada Post as a business instead of a federal service? Why is it expected to be profitable?

It maybe doesn't have to be profitable, but they need to do everything they can to not bleed insane amounts of taxpayer money.

door to door delivery in this day and age is not needed, in my opinion. It just isn't.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Stand in line at a bank and marvel at all the seniors with bill envelopes in hand to pay. Maybe it's an excuse for them to get out of the house but I assume most feel intimidated by online banking on a computer or don't trust it.

True but a lot of older people and people who prefer paper still do a lot of bank reconciliation for accounts. That process is usually easier with paper as opposed to digital.

A lot of people will usually just randomly scan their accounts online and that isn't the same thing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Stand in line at a bank and marvel at all the seniors with bill envelopes in hand to pay. Maybe it's an excuse for them to get out of the house but I assume most feel intimidated by online banking on a computer or don't trust it.

When I was at the bank some of them brought those bank books, and I honestly had no idea what to do since I wasn't a teller. Can you update this for me? By Hand? They had someone walk the lines to ask people what they came in for and a lot of the bill payment people refused to even use the ATM.

With a lot of things shifting to digital now, including meetings it is an excuse to leave the house. Even for Gen X I find.

I think some just get frustrated because it isn't 1 platform being used, and you get different links and it wont work, the camera wont work. Can be annoying.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Why are we talking about Canada Post as a business instead of a federal service? Why is it expected to be profitable?

Who said anything about 'Profitable?'

The fact is they are hemorrhaging cash for doing a poor job and now have their hands out for more to continue doing a poor job where they are rapidly being replaced.

This model is unsustainable. If not for Government intervention these people would be collecting EI rather than paycheques.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Who said anything about 'Profitable?'

The fact is they are hemorrhaging cash for doing a poor job and now have their hands out for more to continue doing a poor job where they are rapidly being replaced.

Odd that the employees are doing such a poor job and yet they were deemed so essential to the country that the company and its employees couldn’t be left alone to settle the dispute on their own.

This model is unsustainable. If not for Government intervention these people would be collecting EI rather than paycheques.

If not for government intervention in the last strike/lockout this matter would have probably resolved itself a while ago.

[TorqueDog]

None of those things are mutually exclusive; they can both be doing a crappy job and be essential.

Imagine a bunch of nurses who procrastinate changing patient bedpans. Essential, yet doing a crappy job of it. Literally.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Stand in line at a bank and marvel at all the seniors with bill envelopes in hand to pay. Maybe it's an excuse for them to get out of the house but I assume most feel intimidated by online banking on a computer or don't trust it.

The last time I was in a bank the teller knew the old lady by name and they talked about the teller’s graduation that was coming up, so yeah, they definitely do it for human interaction, which beats them going on Facebook and filling up on misinformation.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

The last time I was in a bank the teller knew the old lady by name and they talked about the teller’s graduation that was coming up, so yeah, they definitely do it for human interaction, which beats them going on Facebook and filling up on misinformation.

Fair enough, probably does more for mental health than any Bell Let's Talk day. If the banks don't care about eating the cost, I'm gonna stop making fun of the entire situation and recognize it for what it is. Completely corporate financed public mental health services for the elderly and lonely. Perhaps we should prevent banks from closing any more branches, give them protected status.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

None of those things are mutually exclusive; they can both be doing a crappy job and be essential.

Imagine a bunch of nurses who procrastinate changing patient bedpans. Essential, yet doing a crappy job of it. Literally.

One would think if they were doing a bad job management would be disciplining them out the door, no?

[TorqueDog]

Sadly, no one is getting reprimanded for "being too goddamned lazy to actually attempt to deliver a parcel".

I can be home awaiting a delivery with my tracking app updating me on the status and then suddenly "Delivery attempted, no answer, pickup notice left". No attempted buzz, nothing. I stopped complaining after a while when the response was always "We'll make a note. You can pick this one up tomorrow after 1 PM at [post office]".

I did get really above and beyond service one time from a Canada Post phone representative who helped with a mis-routed parcel, he really killed it. If the carriers themselves gave half of a crap as much as this one dude did about doing a great job, it would be a different company.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Sadly, no one is getting reprimanded for "being too goddamned lazy to actually attempt to deliver a parcel".

I can be home awaiting a delivery with my tracking app updating me on the status and then suddenly "Delivery attempted, no answer, pickup notice left". No attempted buzz, nothing. I stopped complaining after a while when the response was always "We'll make a note. You can pick this one up tomorrow after 1 PM at [post office]".

I did get really above and beyond service one time from a Canada Post phone representative who helped with a mis-routed parcel, he really killed it. If the carriers themselves gave half of a crap as much as this one dude did about doing a great job, it would be a different company.

So you’re just gonna give management a pass on not, you know, managing?

Not sure what point you’re trying to make here.

I do appreciate that you’re operating on the assumption that nothing happens to the carrier anytime a customer makes a complaint. Unless of course they call you back to tell you that they didn’t do a thing about it, but I suppose you’d just blame the employee for that too right?

[calgarywinning]

But seriously each Canada Post employee should receive their own Canadian store franchise for the amount of flyers they have delivered.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Say you're an employee who has worked Monday to Friday for twenty years. Why would you be interested in working on Saturday and/or Sunday if you're not going to get paid more for giving up your weekend.

Well their weekend would just become Monday and Tuesday or Thursday and Friday... just set new lines and let workers pick lines on the basis of seniority. I don't see why it has to be part-time on the weekend.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Well their weekend would just become Monday and Tuesday or Thursday and Friday... just set new lines and let workers pick lines on the basis of seniority. I don't see why it has to be part-time on the weekend.

Their existing vehicle fleet size would likely be the argument from Canada post as to why they can’t do that.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Their existing vehicle fleet size would likely be the argument from Canada post as to why they can’t do that.

That's pretty flimsy reasoning from a corporation specializing in going broke.