Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Locke]

Oh no!! I might not get my useless ULINE catalogues and A&W Coupons??

Whatever shall I do?? Its truly the endtimes!!

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh no!! I might not get my useless ULINE catalogues and A&W Coupons??

Whatever shall I do?? Its truly the endtimes!!

Don't forget about the realtor crap. WE are selling a house in your neighborhood! No schit. We will pay cash for your house. Stop wasting your money. Every person I know has 7 friends who are realtors. F off with the marketing.

Don't get me started on Hello Fresh. How about charge a little less and cut your ridiculous marketing budget for your crappy couscous meals.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Don't forget about the realtor crap. WE are selling a house in your neighborhood! No schit. We will pay cash for your house. Stop wasting your money. Every person I know has 7 friends who are realtors. F off with the marketing.

Don't get me started on Hello Fresh. How about charge a little less and cut your ridiculous marketing budget for your crappy couscous meals.

I'd say 98% of my mail goes straight into my recycling bin.

Are we not trying to save the planet? You dont need to print off coupons or catalogues or other BS advertising nonsense.

You print it off. Address it. Then a man or woman drives to a facility for their day's work, sorts it all out, so that other men or women with a van drive all over Hell's Half Acre delivering crap you dont want and immediately throw out.

You want to reduce Canada's Carbon footprint? Forget the Carbon Tax. Shut down Canada Post.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Slava

I’d be curious to see how much of a savings that is, compared to a lot of the other issues they face. Things like the reluctance to love to 7 day delivery and that lack of competitive instinct seem like far bigger issues than home delivery.

It’s strange that while online shopping and all of the shipping that comes with that could’ve been an enormous boon to CP, they’ve managed to completely miss the boat and are instead working on survival.

I read somewhere as I was looking at this that it’s about $165 per household savings going to a community mailbox and about 3 million left to convert but can’t find that now to back it up.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'd say 98% of my mail goes straight into my recycling bin.

Are we not trying to save the planet? You dont need to print off coupons or catalogues or other BS advertising nonsense.

You print it off. Address it. Then a man or woman drives to a facility for their day's work, sorts it all out, so that other men or women with a van drive all over Hell's Half Acre delivering crap you dont want and immediately throw out.

You want to reduce Canada's Carbon footprint? Forget the Carbon Tax. Shut down Canada Post.

Those are profit centers you are asking Canada Post to lose more money.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GGG

Those are profit centers you are asking Canada Post to lose more money.

You're only considering a solitary factor though.

Remove the junk mail. Remove a significant number of people responsible for delivering it. Remove the vehicles, the maintenance, the fuel, etc.

Sure, they make money delivering junk. But that takes a lot of infrastructure. Remove it.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by GGG

Those are profit centers you are asking Canada Post to lose more money.

Maybe our government agencies should not be in the business of creating incredible waste? We may not quite be ready for this, but if you want a paper copy of something, you may have to pay the actual cost to get it to you. Otherwise, email works just fine.

This may also be hypocritical of a position I took earlier. Just sayin' As we all know, the hypocrisy is the worst part...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Locke

You're only considering a solitary factor though.

Remove the junk mail. Remove a significant number of people responsible for delivering it. Remove the vehicles, the maintenance, the fuel, etc.

Sure, they make money delivering junk. But that takes a lot of infrastructure. Remove it.

You need to remove the requirement for daily mail delivery. All of the junk mail you are complaining about finds the daily mail delivery requirement.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GGG

You need to remove the requirement for daily mail delivery. All of the junk mail you are complaining about finds the daily mail delivery requirement.

Yes. And?

I dont need daily mail delivery. I probably could suffice with Monthly mail delivery and even then, thats because those idiots cant get everything online.

I have asked Telus SEVERAL TIMES to stop sending me a bill. I get the bill online. I do not need a physical paper copy. But they keep sending it.

I fought Sports Illustrated for YEARS! And I won that one!

Do I want my ULINE catalogues? Nope. They can shove that #### right where it came from. It goes from ULINE printers to a truck to a Canada Post sorting area to a man with a van, to my mailbox and then directly from there into my recycling bin where another man with a truck picks it up and delivers it to wherever to be deconstructed into whatever the hell it was in the first place without so much as a page being ruffled.

Beautiful use of resources, dont you agree?

I check my mail maybe once every two weeks. I often forget. Unless I'm expecting something specific I just dont care. My bills are online.

So pardon me if I'm unsympathetic to people in shorts driving vans all about delivering crap we dont want.

Maybe I wont get 30 cents off my next teen burger at A&W...the struggle is insufferable but I shall persevere.

[Jason14h]

This thread just reminded me I haven’t checked my mailbox since last Friday .

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

This thread just reminded me I haven’t checked my mailbox since last Friday .

I literally have to have a reminder in my calendar so my employees remind me to check the mail.

Because unless there is something specific that I'm expecting the rest is junk.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Maybe our government agencies should not be in the business of creating incredible waste? We may not quite be ready for this, but if you want a paper copy of something, you may have to pay the actual cost to get it to you. Otherwise, email works just fine.

This may also be hypocritical of a position I took earlier. Just sayin' As we all know, the hypocrisy is the worst part...

The government isn't creating the waste. They are just a middleman. I support our door to door mail carriers especially the ones that actually have walking routes. That is a sweet gig and I'm a bit jealous of them.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by opendoor

There are a few reasons why both can be true:

1) That chart doesn't include the era I was talking about in that post ('60s and '70s). By the '80s high interest rates and housing bubbles made housing pretty unaffordable before real prices retreated later in the decade. I don't think anyone would want to trade places with someone in the early '80s when housing was just as unaffordable, but you were talking about the '60s when things were extremely affordable and people with menial jobs could afford detached houses in cities.

The people who had menial jobs in the 60s may have been able to afford a detached home, but in every other respect they lived in what we would regard today as poverty.

The 70s were not a great period economically. Runaway inflation, the energy shock, stagflation, high unemployment. The postwar boom was over by ‘71. So really, this golden period that we still look to as a touchstone lasted only 20 years, and it ended more than 50 years ago.

The Canadians who enjoyed the fruits of that golden era in adulthood are now all dead or in their 80s. For the rest of us - Boomers, GenX, Millennials, GenZ - it’s all just a matter of when in our adult lives we’re dealt economic gut-punches. The Economist (avert your eyes rube) recently posted an article arguing GenX were the big generational losers, as their first decade in the workforce had such a weak economy that many never caught up.

[flamesfever]

What about all the charities that depend on the door to door mail? What about all the small businesses where a lot of stuff comes through the mail? What about Christmas cards, Birthday cards, personal letters, etc.?, packages and parcels etc.?

It may not be a right to receive door to door mail, but it certainly helps make life a lot better and easier for many people.

And you can be assured that the money you save, by dispensing with it, will be spent by your government on things that are of much less benefit to society.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Locke

Do I want my ULINE catalogues? Nope. They can shove that #### right where it came from. It goes from ULINE printers to a truck to a Canada Post sorting area to a man with a van, to my mailbox and then directly from there into my recycling bin where another man with a truck picks it up and delivers it to wherever to be deconstructed into whatever the hell it was in the first place without so much as a page being ruffled.

But, but, if you throw away your Uline catalogue, it will make baby jebus cry—the same as Chick-fil-A. Feed the corporate beast because that is what Jesus would do!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Titan2

But, but, if you throw away your Uline catalogue, it will make baby jebus cry—the same as Chick-fil-A. Feed the corporate beast because that is what Jesus would do!

I like to think that Jesus would go all 'John Wick' on ULINE.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

What about all the charities that depend on the door to door mail? What about all the small businesses where a lot of stuff comes through the mail? What about Christmas cards, Birthday cards, personal letters, etc.?, packages and parcels etc.?

It may not be a right to receive door to door mail, but it certainly helps make life a lot better and easier for many people.

And you can be assured that the money you save, by dispensing with it, will be spent by your government on things that are of much less benefit to society.

This is an absolutely ridiculous argument. First, we are talking door to door. All those things can be dropped at a community box. Second, when was the last time your, or anyone, went to a local business because of mail? That Google could not have done better?

Packages and parcels are what got them into this jam in the first place. Be competitive or die.

And finally, if we don't do anything, because the gov't will just waste it anyways is not an argument. Maybe, again, just maybe, hold the ####ing gov't to account and don't vote blue over and over and over, despite their wicked ways.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Locke

I like to think that Jesus would go all 'John Wick' on ULINE.

Did those christofacists kill his ####ing dog too? I thought they were capable of that.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The people who had menial jobs in the 60s may have been able to afford a detached home, but in every other respect they lived in what we would regard today as poverty.

The 70s were not a great period economically. Runaway inflation, the energy shock, stagflation, high unemployment. The postwar boom was over by ‘71. So really, this golden period that we still look to as a touchstone lasted only 20 years, and it ended more than 50 years ago.

The Canadians who enjoyed the fruits of that golden era in adulthood are now all dead or in their 80s. For the rest of us - Boomers, GenX, Millennials, GenZ - it’s all just a matter of when in our adult lives we’re dealt economic gut-punches. The Economist (avert your eyes rube) recently posted an article arguing GenX were the big generational losers, as their first decade in the workforce had such a weak economy that many never caught up.

Interesting. Do you have a more specific link? I would like to read that. I have felt that but would like to see the numbers.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Did those christofacists kill his ####ing dog too? I thought they were capable of that.

I think they beat a puppy to death with ULINE catalogues, but that is an unconfirmed rumour.

They delivered 4 goddamned catalogues to my office one time. 4!

These are 300+ pages of glossy-paged catalogues from a company from whom I have never purchased anything in my life.

I have a Vendetta against ULINE and Canada Post is simply enabling them, which is a set of circumstances I simply cannot tolerate, come Hell or High Water I shall see to the demise ULINE.

I defeated Sports Illustrated...I can defeat ULINE.