2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The problem with the 3-1 is teams getting the 3 want 18-20 year old prospects or 21-22 year old established good players who could turn into stars

Frosts and Farabees of the world are already mid 20s and making 5+ million

If one pops you aren’t trading them , and if they don’t they have next to no value to teams for the type of players you want

This is my only issue with the collecting of assets approach - it’s great if they are 20-22 . When they are mid 20s the ability to repackage in a 3-1 type deal are very low IMO, whereas prospects that are showing potential are exciting to teams in trades

This is why I would have preferred keeping our 2nd, trading Kuz for a 3rd , and having more picks in this years draft (I also wish they didn’t sign Shags and dealt him for picks as a UFA)

These types of players aren’t bad , but they just don’t have spots on good teams / teams going for it , and aren’t desirable for rebuilding teams . They are really just good filler players for teams stuck in the middle

The 3 for 1 trade I would personally envision in a couple years would be something like (just pulling out names)

Mews
Gridin
Whoever we pick with the Florida pick this year

For

Number one center X

The Flames can do that in a world where Honzek, Suniev and Battaglia become legit NHL players to go with Zary, Coronato, Sharangovich, Huberdeau etc. and Parekh, Hunter become legit NHL dmen to go with Weegar, Bahl and either Anderson or what they trade Anderson for.

The Flames already have a pretty good roster of prospects and will be improved with their 5 upcoming firsts in the next 3 years. If Frost or Farabee return to what they were a couple years ago they are probably worth a 2nd rounder each anyway if the Flames want to trade either. If the Flames don’t want to trade either and they pop they are probably respectively a decent 2/3 center and a potential Coleman replacement. Frost and Farabee were an incredibly low risk move imo.

The Flames were always going to try to ice a semi competitive team because a 7-10 year tank was never in the cards for them. The organization, correctly imo, feels that not having good vets around is detrimental to the organizations long term success. They also are probably worried about whether the market would be willing to suck for a decade.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I recall the same was said about Markstrom, and Hanifin etc.
Some people really undervalue our players, and to be honest I’m not really sure why.

The Columbus proposal is pretty fair, but it would be a swap of Andersson + Floridas pick for Sillinger and Columbus’s pick.

Often times as home team fans people look passed the “good” things about player X and seemingly devalue them based on the things they’ve hated about that player for a while. The issue is other teams value the player based on what they’ve done, value, age and growth in a new market/system.

Andersson has value, he was the hottest commodity pre-deadline and unfortunately Calgary didn’t entertain offers because they were certain they had a shot to make it and needed Andersson to be apart of it.

His worth, especially this last year is very high and I know there’s going to be interest going into the draft.

Do you think it's pretty unlikely that Andersson re-signs for a reasonable amount? Trade more likely?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am a little upset now with the Hanifin trade. I was hoping that Vegas would have gone on a long playoff drive this season, and then experienced a 'finals hangover' to start their season, and was hoping it would then snowball into a top 10 pick, and then winning the McKenna lottery.


Hopefully they will have a terrible season anyway - and they deserve it for not doing their job against Edmonton in the playoffs. They owe us McKenna now for their terrible performance.


As for Andersson, they may still re-sign him I think. I would assume he is going to be traded, and the return will be good. Conroy hasn't really made a bad trade yet with the exception of the Okhotyiuk gamble (if he even know that he was returning to Russia), but that was a low pick anyway. Everything else - especially given all the circumstances - were solid moves. A bit light on Zadorov, but at the same time, it was a situation that needed to be addressed sooner rather than later. I don't think there was a poor return anywhere.


I would expect Andersson gets traded for the equivalent of 2 first round picks - which needs a further definition. Obviously not two top 10 first round picks! I am guessing two first round picks post 20th-32nd. Something like a 1st round pick from that area, plus a 2nd, plus a 'B' prospect like another Miromanov, Grushnikov, etc. You can argue what prospect is or isn't worth a 2nd, but something along those lines is what I expect. If he gets something better - awesome! If he gets something worse - let's see what the market is for other pieces before getting upset.



I still think that nothing has changed. One good 'unexpected' season shouldn't change 'the plan', right? How many people wish that Treliving stuck to 'the plan' rather than assume the team was further ahead back then? Also, a lot of the 'push' on the team came from older players too - to me, that doesn't scream "speed up the rebuild". I think Conroy continues with a patient approach here.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I wonder with Florida needing to have quite a few people to re-sign (One of Ekblad/Bennett, potentially Marchand at a discount, Samoskevich, backup goalie, etc), it would make sense for them to acquire Andersson by trading the 2027 1st+? Ekblad and Bennett both need to be re-signed, it would make sense to call Calgary and pay the 2027 1st round pick and letting Ekblad go get 8-9m elsewhere. Andersson at 50% makes a lot of sense for them while they wait for Bob's 10m to expire in 2026. Andersson would have some familiarity with Tkachuk and Bennett. Would also have a reliable partner in Forsling or Miikola on the left side to allow him to play a little more offensively.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I wonder with Florida needing to have quite a few people to re-sign (One of Ekblad/Bennett, potentially Marchand at a discount, Samoskevich, backup goalie, etc), it would make sense for them to acquire Andersson by trading the 2027 1st+? Ekblad and Bennett both need to be re-signed, it would make sense to call Calgary and pay the 2027 1st round pick and letting Ekblad go get 8-9m elsewhere. Andersson at 50% makes a lot of sense for them while they wait for Bob's 10m to expire in 2026. Andersson would have some familiarity with Tkachuk and Bennett. Would also have a reliable partner in Forsling or Miikola on the left side to allow him to play a little more offensively.

Interesting proposal. Don’t hate it from Florida’s side but gotta imagine another team will beat a 2027 1st from a top team

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Interesting proposal. Don’t hate it from Florida’s side but gotta imagine another team will beat a 2027 1st from a top team

Well, I reckon we could ask for more than just that. Samoskevich is an interesting gamble. They definitely would need to offer more. Maybe rights to Ekblad? Wouldn't hurt to grab him, a 1st, and another decent prospect. They are pretty slim pickings.

The Seth Jones acquisition makes me think they're prioritizing in keeping Bennett over Ekblad. I think a 2027 1st, Samoskevich, and a 3rd/2nd for retaining on Andersson would be a fair offer, but I'm sure others could offer more. I just like picking on Florida because eventually that core is gonna age and start to regress a little. If you can get an unprotected 1st down the road I've no issue with that. You never know what could happen to a team, and we just saw the Isles and Utah jump up 10 spots in a lottery. Imagine if we got that with an unprotected 1st.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Any idea of the Flames are trying to move up in the draft? I’m sure it flies without saying, yes, but wondering if this is something they are actively pursuing and if the opportunity exists. Ie; other teams just might not have interest in doing so, or in what the Flames can offer.

Of course the Flames would love to get into the top 10, there’s a plethora of centres this organization could use and obviously they’re very familiar with Misa and would certainly love to draft him but just don’t have the pieces available to move up that we would be willing to part with.

Another guy I know the Flames were very high on was Frondell, but much like Misa we just don’t have the necessary pieces we’d want to use to move up.

It’s going to be almost impossible to get into the top 10 without giving up a Wolf or Parekh, the only possibility I can think of is if we flip Andersson into a pick around 13-15 and then package all 3 picks for maybe a 6-10 pick? But even then it’s probably not likely nor worth it unless you’re getting the guy you absolutely don’t want to pass on.

Should be a fun draft because the Flames have lots of CAP, lots of needs and a good amount of draft capital.

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Do you think it's pretty unlikely that Andersson re-signs for a reasonable amount? Trade more likely?

I think both sides would prefer to move on. I’ve heard that both sides have drifted further apart, and he most likely won’t be back which I expect we’ll see him moved at the draft.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I think both sides would prefer to move on. I’ve heard that both sides have drifted further apart, and he most likely won’t be back which I expect we’ll see him moved at the draft.

Do you see the Flames retaining 50% on Andersson to maximize value? I would assume Conroy has the thumbs up to do it given the space we have.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am a little upset now with the Hanifin trade. I was hoping that Vegas would have gone on a long playoff drive this season, and then experienced a 'finals hangover' to start their season, and was hoping it would then snowball into a top 10 pick, and then winning the McKenna lottery.

Hopefully they will have a terrible season anyway - and they deserve it for not doing their job against Edmonton in the playoffs. They owe us McKenna now for their terrible performance.

...

My hopes on this were actually the opposite of yours (with the same outcome in mind). If Vegas had another conference / cup finals, I think they would be emboldened next season to keep pushing for more playoff success. Getting knocked out in the second round by the Oilers might have them thinking about making changes with the roster.

As things stand right now they only have $9.6M in cap space with 9 forwards, 7 D, and 2 G. They have 2 RFAs on the roster to sign (Holtz and Hague) and they need to add 4-5 forwards to have a fourth line and an extra body or two.

That cap space is going to disappear quickly and hopefully force some tough decisions that leave Vegas in a worse position.

It would also be nice if they have a couple of other issues come up... like Hill's performance falling off of a cliff as his new contract kicks in.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Of course the Flames would love to get into the top 10, there’s a plethora of centres this organization could use and obviously they’re very familiar with Misa and would certainly love to draft him but just don’t have the pieces available to move up that we would be willing to part with.

Another guy I know the Flames were very high on was Frondell, but much like Misa we just don’t have the necessary pieces we’d want to use to move up.

It’s going to be almost impossible to get into the top 10 without giving up a Wolf or Parekh, the only possibility I can think of is if we flip Andersson into a pick around 13-15 and then package all 3 picks for maybe a 6-10 pick? But even then it’s probably not likely nor worth it unless you’re getting the guy you absolutely don’t want to pass on.

Should be a fun draft because the Flames have lots of CAP, lots of needs and a good amount of draft capital.



I think both sides would prefer to move on. I’ve heard that both sides have drifted further apart, and he most likely won’t be back which I expect we’ll see him moved at the draft.

Any rumors on who they may like lower down? Mid first guys

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am a little upset now with the Hanifin trade. I was hoping that Vegas would have gone on a long playoff drive this season, and then experienced a 'finals hangover' to start their season, and was hoping it would then snowball into a top 10 pick, and then winning the McKenna lottery.

I am hoping that the Oilers dismantling of the Vegas embarrasses them enough to force them to make changes that backfire in their faces.

I think it's still a long shot that the Vegas 2026 1st is a lottery pick, but not as long of a shot as I did a few months ago. They are an aging team and are probably a Stone injury away from being pretty average. Eichel is only locked down for one more season, so depending how next season goes for them, they may need to consider whether they need to start re-tooling or the process of rebuilding before the next trade deadline.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am hoping that the Oilers dismantling of the Vegas embarrasses them enough to force them to make changes that backfire in their faces.

I think it's still a long shot that the Vegas 2026 1st is a lottery pick, but not as long of a shot as I did a few months ago. They are an aging team and are probably a Stone injury away from being pretty average. Eichel is only locked down for one more season, so depending how next season goes for them, they may need to consider whether they need to start re-tooling or the process of rebuilding before the next trade deadline.

Didn’t realize he’s a Ufa same time as McDavid. Would be pretty fun if McDavid ends up going to Toronto and Eichel to Boston

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Any rumors on who they may like lower down? Mid first guys

Names I've heard at the bottom but have no idea where they're ranked as this information in terms of their "list" sadly would never be shared.
We need a big win from the Leaf's tonight so that we can have those 2 really close picks giving us a better RISK vs REWARD pick.

0-1% chance
Misa
Frondell
Desnoyers

1-5% chance
Hagens
Martin
Martone

guys I could see them moving up for if they slide out of say the top 10
OBrien
Cootes
McQueen* - Injury risk has definitely been up for discussion

Guys they've been keeping a real eye on and likely are probably high on their current list given their picks as they stand today:

Reschny
Kindel
Ryabkin* - Gridin 2.0 for Calgary - I know they've got some scouts who are very high on this guy even with all the question marks.
Nesbit* - I've heard that some teams have this guy as their top pick. While his skill set isn't that top line offence, lots see this guy as having all the tools to be a good 2/3 center for a long time. Less Risk higher reward type pick.
McKinney* - While likely not taken with our first pick, I'd watch for Calgary to be in on this guy with the 2nd pick depending on how things shake out.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I wonder with Florida needing to have quite a few people to re-sign (One of Ekblad/Bennett, potentially Marchand at a discount, Samoskevich, backup goalie, etc), it would make sense for them to acquire Andersson by trading the 2027 1st+? Ekblad and Bennett both need to be re-signed, it would make sense to call Calgary and pay the 2027 1st round pick and letting Ekblad go get 8-9m elsewhere. Andersson at 50% makes a lot of sense for them while they wait for Bob's 10m to expire in 2026. Andersson would have some familiarity with Tkachuk and Bennett. Would also have a reliable partner in Forsling or Miikola on the left side to allow him to play a little more offensively.

Definitely see a fit with Florida as far as need. Tough part is they are really depleted in terms of prospects/picks. As you said it would have to include the2027 1st round pick. However, if the Panthers win today then their 2027 1st round pick goes to Boston (Marchand trade). If not, they could trade that pick to Calgary. I’m fine if it’s just picks but it has to be a pretty big haul of picks if no quality prospects are coming back to complement the 2027 pick. And Florida has no quality picks available until 2026 and 2027 so I would also want any protections on the 1st round pick to be limited since the flames would be essentially getting magic beans for a top 3 defenceman. Something like this:

To Florida:
Andersson (50% retained)

To Calgary:
2027 1st round pick (top 2 protected)
2026 2nd round pick
2027 2nd round pick
2025 3rd round pick

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Names I've heard at the bottom but have no idea where they're ranked as this information in terms of their "list" sadly would never be shared.
We need a big win from the Leaf's tonight so that we can have those 2 really close picks giving us a better RISK vs REWARD pick.

0-1% chance
Misa
Frondell
Desnoyers

1-5% chance
Hagens
Martin
Martone

guys I could see them moving up for if they slide out of say the top 10
OBrien
Cootes
McQueen* - Injury risk has definitely been up for discussion

Guys they've been keeping a real eye on and likely are probably high on their current list given their picks as they stand today:

Reschny
Kindel
Ryabkin* - Gridin 2.0 for Calgary - I know they've got some scouts who are very high on this guy even with all the question marks.
Nesbit* - I've heard that some teams have this guy as their top pick. While his skill set isn't that top line offence, lots see this guy as having all the tools to be a good 2/3 center for a long time. Less Risk higher reward type pick.
McKinney* - While likely not taken with our first pick, I'd watch for Calgary to be in on this guy with the 2nd pick depending on how things shake out.

Appreciate the insights!! Thanks

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Nesbit* - I've heard that some teams have this guy as their top pick. While his skill set isn't that top line offence, lots see this guy as having all the tools to be a good 2/3 center for a long time. Less Risk higher reward type pick.

This is the exact type of pick I hope the Flames do not make. I think we have a great pipeline of middle-six forwards with maybe 1-2 potential breakout stars. We need top line skill. Take the high risk, high reward players. Shoot for the stars. I hope every pick is a McQueen or Ryabkin type selection - risk involved but potential for huge upside. Draft 3-4 players like that this year and I'm very happy.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Names I've heard at the bottom but have no idea where they're ranked as this information in terms of their "list" sadly would never be shared.
We need a big win from the Leaf's tonight so that we can have those 2 really close picks giving us a better RISK vs REWARD pick.

0-1% chance
Misa
Frondell
Desnoyers

1-5% chance
Hagens
Martin
Martone

guys I could see them moving up for if they slide out of say the top 10
OBrien
Cootes
McQueen* - Injury risk has definitely been up for discussion

Guys they've been keeping a real eye on and likely are probably high on their current list given their picks as they stand today:

Reschny
Kindel
Ryabkin* - Gridin 2.0 for Calgary - I know they've got some scouts who are very high on this guy even with all the question marks.
Nesbit* - I've heard that some teams have this guy as their top pick. While his skill set isn't that top line offence, lots see this guy as having all the tools to be a good 2/3 center for a long time. Less Risk higher reward type pick.
McKinney* - While likely not taken with our first pick, I'd watch for Calgary to be in on this guy with the 2nd pick depending on how things shake out.

Thanks for the insights. Questions / comments:

Is Cootes -> Braeden Cootes?

Also going just from your list:
1. O'Brien
2. McQueen
3. Ryabkin
4. McKinney

Would be my order. The other guys look like they'll be replaceable wings / or have to convert to 3rd/4th line roles, which, any NHLer picked in the draft has value, but Calgary is short on top end young talent.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Names I've heard at the bottom but have no idea where they're ranked as this information in terms of their "list" sadly would never be shared.
We need a big win from the Leaf's tonight so that we can have those 2 really close picks giving us a better RISK vs REWARD pick.

0-1% chance
Misa
Frondell
Desnoyers

1-5% chance
Hagens
Martin
Martone

guys I could see them moving up for if they slide out of say the top 10
OBrien
Cootes
McQueen* - Injury risk has definitely been up for discussion

Guys they've been keeping a real eye on and likely are probably high on their current list given their picks as they stand today:

Reschny
Kindel
Ryabkin* - Gridin 2.0 for Calgary - I know they've got some scouts who are very high on this guy even with all the question marks.
Nesbit* - I've heard that some teams have this guy as their top pick. While his skill set isn't that top line offence, lots see this guy as having all the tools to be a good 2/3 center for a long time. Less Risk higher reward type pick.
McKinney* - While likely not taken with our first pick, I'd watch for Calgary to be in on this guy with the 2nd pick depending on how things shake out.

Myself i see murtagh having as much chance at middle six center as nesbitt. Murtagh is a very good skater, has a deadly shot, reminds me of kadri a little actually.

Ryabkin just not a big fan if taking that chance however i have been good with flames scouts so if they think some of the stuff is overblown then go for. Would still like another first and second.

[dammage79]

I've said it for months and months. Ryabkin is destined to be a Flame. Is it the right pick? I don't know. Are any of them? Who knows! But I do like his skillset. I like that he's already in NA and ready to make it in north America.

And I feel like for the 3rd year in a row there's these rumors abound about the top Russian prospects having attitude issues etc and so far 2 out of 3 have been bogus BS. I figure Ryabkin will make it 3/3 on bogus Bs rumors and whoever gets him will reap the rewards.

He's a pure center, has grit and beef already and has top 5 skills. To me at any pick that's a risk worth taking

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I've said it for months and months. Ryabkin is destined to be a Flame. Is it the right pick? I don't know. Are any of them? Who knows! But I do like his skillset. I like that he's already in NA and ready to make it in north America.

And I feel like for the 3rd year in a row there's these rumors abound about the top Russian prospects having attitude issues etc and so far 2 out of 3 have been bogus BS. I figure Ryabkin will make it 3/3 on bogus Bs rumors and whoever gets him will reap the rewards.

He's a pure center, has grit and beef already and has top 5 skills. To me at any pick that's a risk worth taking

THIS!!!! would love it with Florida's pick