2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I also think you look at the spine of a team. The best way to build a team is:
C-C-D-G. #1 Center. #1/1A/#2 center. Defencemen. Goalie.


Adding Marner essentially creates this:
W-W-D-G. These are going to be the richest contracts on the team for the foreseeable future. If Parekh pans out (which I think he will), then the 'bulk' of you money is spent at these 4 positions in the 'spine' of your team.



I am sure there are exceptions that win the cup structured that way, but probably fewer. Ideally, whatever the Flames are in right now whether it is a rebuild or retool or whatever, they need to come out of this somehow looking like:

C-C-Parekh-Wolf.


Ideally #1 C - #1C/1B/Elite #2 C - Parekh - Wolf, with one high--money contract on the wings already with Huberdeau, which is fine. I just think it just becomes difficult having 2 of your highest AAV deals on the wings, especially when you don't even have a bona fide #2 C yet on the team or in the prospect pool. Just my thoughts, and I am sure there are always exceptions, but that's how I see it.

I tend to agree with your spine theory.

It also tracks with our lack of success as a franchise...LONG stretches of no #1C to speak of.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The chances of Marner choosing Calgary has got to be close to zero in any event.

Yeah, I’m not exceeding 13m. If he goes UFA he’s likely getting 15 x 7 by someone like Chicago.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The chances of Marner choosing Calgary has got to be close to zero in any event.

Why?

Kadri chose Calgary.

If you've lived anywhere else in the world, then you know that Calgary is a fantastic place to live.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Dan403

If you've lived anywhere else in the world, then you know that Calgary is a fantastic place to live.

Not disagreeing with you here at all, as I'm someone who lives in Calgary and loves this city, and it is fantastic place to live - but optically there are more 'attractive' places around the North America for relatively young multi-millionaires to spend their time - night life, weather, social circles, travel included - and many of these athletes see it as such. It's just something we - as a mid-size Canadian prairie city - have to come to terms with (and it's been like this for decades).

[Poe969]

Adding guys like Barzal or marner will cost a lot of cap space and/or assets and not improve the team to contender or even perennial playoff team. Adding either of those 2 would likely still keep the Flames as a bubble team.

The Flames need a legit #1C and the next 2 drafts have those. This team doesn't have the assets to acquire the guys to turn this team into a contender, they have a better chance at bottoming out and drafting near the top of the draft, and I feel there are more and more fans like me who would rather see that strategy.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Adding guys like Barzal or marner will cost a lot of cap space and/or assets and not improve the team to contender or even perennial playoff team. Adding either of those 2 would likely still keep the Flames as a bubble team.

The Flames need a legit #1C and the next 2 drafts have those. This team doesn't have the assets to acquire the guys to turn this team into a contender, they have a better chance at bottoming out and drafting near the top of the draft, and I feel there are more and more fans like me who would rather see that strategy.

It isn't happening. It doesn't matter what fans of team tank want, I don't know why some of you keep holding onto this.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Adding guys like Barzal or marner will cost a lot of cap space and/or assets and not improve the team to contender or even perennial playoff team. Adding either of those 2 would likely still keep the Flames as a bubble team.

The Flames need a legit #1C and the next 2 drafts have those. This team doesn't have the assets to acquire the guys to turn this team into a contender, they have a better chance at bottoming out and drafting near the top of the draft, and I feel there are more and more fans like me who would rather see that strategy.

Now i get some of what you are saying but to my mind that is exactly what this last year was, bottoming out. I expected a bottom ten finish, i expected Andersson and probably Coleman to he traded as the reality set in that this wasnt a playoff team.

However i also have to accept that things changed drastically as the year progressed. Wolf was better than expected but vladar was pretty good to especially at the end if the year.
Kadri gave us a first line center type of year. Bahl is a legit middle pair defender , found money. The team itself coalesced after an extremely turbulent year. Huby has one of his best years here. Coronato is legit.

Unless both kadri and wolf have drastic downturn years, bahls wheels suddenly fall off, and Anderson is traded but nothing is done to help fill the hole i cant see this team being worse.

Huby cant be traded, kadri wont be traded, wolf shouldnt be traded, parehk will probably be a star, short of a disaster or multiple key injuries we arent anywhere near bottom ten.

I mentioned already that as good as the gesture was to go get frost and farabee i wonder if it put too much expectation on them? If even one if them had caught fire for even ten games we probably make the playoffs comfortably. I expect better from both next year as well as sharangovich who seemed to look more like himself near the end of the year.

Nope i dont see a bottom ten team unless you butcher it and that wont happen.

Disagree about the assets if anderson is traded and futures are involved we will simply be adding to whats already getting to be a deep pool and multiple picks if a number one center comes along we do have the assets to make a deal; especially if they need some lw prospects.

I am excited about where the team is and where its going and i think its only up from here.

[Jason14h]

I think the odds are better the Flames bottom out next year then sign Marner !

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Why?

Kadri chose Calgary.

If you've lived anywhere else in the world, then you know that Calgary is a fantastic place to live.

I love Calgary. I agree it’s a fantastic place to live.

But Marner will want to go to a team which has some players he can play with who will compliment his offensive game and are a team with a young core on the way up.

Calgary’s best players are for the most part older players.

Kadri was also living in Calgary before he signed here.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Kadri was also living in Calgary before he signed here.

I can say with 1000% certainty that this isn't true.

[really?]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isn't happening. It doesn't matter what fans of team tank want, I don't know why some of you keep holding onto this.

Not sure the Flames have to try to tank to be a lottery team. Nashville certainly didn’t set their sights on tanking, yet they found themselves a part of the lotto mix by the time the season was halfway finished.

The Flames have an aging roster with a few young pieces. Age starts catching up with a couple of guys and the goaltending takes a step back and they could be standing in Nashville’s shoes next year. At this point a tear down isn’t in the cards, but that doesn’t mean this team is lottery proof.

Maybe some are still holding out for a roster implosion, but I would gather most folks just see a veteran based team who has been outside the playoffs for a couple of years as being closer to the bottom of the pack than the top.

[1qqaaz]

Considering the Flames haven't picked top 3 in 45 years, I would disagree.
To have a top 3 lottery pick, the team really has to lack some key pieces. Even Nashville is picking 5 this year, which really hurts them. Meanwhile San Jose was guaranteed a top 3 pick even in a worst case lottery scenario.

[really?]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Considering the Flames haven't picked top 3 in 45 years, I would disagree.
To have a top 3 lottery pick, the team really has to lack some key pieces. Even Nashville is picking 5 this year, which really hurts them. Meanwhile San Jose was guaranteed a top 3 pick even in a worst case lottery scenario.

True, but the Islanders have the top pick and they were 9th from the bottom. There’s little point in chasing the top pick, but if a team finishes in the bottom 6-8 teams there is a legit shot they could be in the mix for a top 3 pick. Seeing many young teams in the west beginning to roster teams laden with high end talents doesn’t make the task of getting into the playoffs any easier. Thankfully for the Flames they don’t appear to have to worry about the guy guarding the net.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I also think you look at the spine of a team. The best way to build a team is:
C-C-D-G. #1 Center. #1/1A/#2 center. Defencemen. Goalie.


Adding Marner essentially creates this:
W-W-D-G. These are going to be the richest contracts on the team for the foreseeable future. If Parekh pans out (which I think he will), then the 'bulk' of you money is spent at these 4 positions in the 'spine' of your team.



I am sure there are exceptions that win the cup structured that way, but probably fewer. Ideally, whatever the Flames are in right now whether it is a rebuild or retool or whatever, they need to come out of this somehow looking like:

C-C-Parekh-Wolf.


Ideally #1 C - #1C/1B/Elite #2 C - Parekh - Wolf, with one high--money contract on the wings already with Huberdeau, which is fine. I just think it just becomes difficult having 2 of your highest AAV deals on the wings, especially when you don't even have a bona fide #2 C yet on the team or in the prospect pool. Just my thoughts, and I am sure there are always exceptions, but that's how I see it.

I agree, and it just makes it worse that with Marner those two highly paid wingers would both be playmakers.

We should already have learned that a high end playmaker like Huberdeau is not much help without a high end goalscorer.

Signing a 28-year old Marner to a long expensive contract would pretty much guarantee no success for at least the remaining length of Huberdeaus contract, at least in my eyes. To me he is exactly the wrong kind of signing at this point.

Just as general rule of thumb: wingers, unless absolute hall of fame level elite, are not the core pieces that win you playoff rounds, let alone championships.

And frankly I see that contract as a potential albatross anyway. Marner strikes me as exactly the kind of player that benefits a lot from playing with other elite talent, and is very likely to have a big drop off in production under different circumstances.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isn't happening. It doesn't matter what fans of team tank want, I don't know why some of you keep holding onto this.

2012 - 2014 says hello, as well as 2015-2016

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Why?

Kadri chose Calgary.

If you've lived anywhere else in the world, then you know that Calgary is a fantastic place to live.

I had a friend from Russia explain to me in less than 20 seconds why he chose Calgary to raise his family over other cities in North America. And he had lived in NYC for a while. It was eye opening to hear.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Now i get some of what you are saying but to my mind that is exactly what this last year was, bottoming out. I expected a bottom ten finish, i expected Andersson and probably Coleman to he traded as the reality set in that this wasnt a playoff team.

However i also have to accept that things changed drastically as the year progressed. Wolf was better than expected but vladar was pretty good to especially at the end if the year.
Kadri gave us a first line center type of year. Bahl is a legit middle pair defender , found money. The team itself coalesced after an extremely turbulent year. Huby has one of his best years here. Coronato is legit.

Unless both kadri and wolf have drastic downturn years, bahls wheels suddenly fall off, and Anderson is traded but nothing is done to help fill the hole i cant see this team being worse.

Huby cant be traded, kadri wont be traded, wolf shouldnt be traded, parehk will probably be a star, short of a disaster or multiple key injuries we arent anywhere near bottom ten.

I mentioned already that as good as the gesture was to go get frost and farabee i wonder if it put too much expectation on them? If even one if them had caught fire for even ten games we probably make the playoffs comfortably. I expect better from both next year as well as sharangovich who seemed to look more like himself near the end of the year.

Nope i dont see a bottom ten team unless you butcher it and that wont happen.

Disagree about the assets if anderson is traded and futures are involved we will simply be adding to whats already getting to be a deep pool and multiple picks if a number one center comes along we do have the assets to make a deal; especially if they need some lw prospects.

I am excited about where the team is and where its going and i think its only up from here.

I think you’re right, or pretty darn close to it. Hard to say what exactly will happen, there are always surprises.

Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my part, but I’m wondering/hoping there’s a way to move up in this years draft to draft a C. I’m thinking McQueen (if he falls), O’Brien, Martin or Frondell. I think the Flames are going to have to get aggressive to find their C and I think they have, ideally, a two year window to do so to complement the next wave.

Unfortunately there does not seem to be a way for the Flames to address their need at C naturally, short of a year or two of regression that lands them a top 5 pick. I find it curious/ironic that as a player Conroy himself played a considerable amount of his career on a team that never was able to find a bonafide 1C and yet here he is trying to do the same. I’m certain this is kit list on him but what can he do? One way or the other they have to contend with this dilemma.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I had a friend from Russia explain to me in less than 20 seconds why he chose Calgary to raise his family over other cities in North America. And he had lived in NYC for a while. It was eye opening to hear.

……and?

What did he say?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Itse

I agree, and it just makes it worse that with Marner those two highly paid wingers would both be playmakers.

We should already have learned that a high end playmaker like Huberdeau is not much help without a high end goalscorer.

Signing a 28-year old Marner to a long expensive contract would pretty much guarantee no success for at least the remaining length of Huberdeaus contract, at least in my eyes. To me he is exactly the wrong kind of signing at this point.

Just as general rule of thumb: wingers, unless absolute hall of fame level elite, are not the core pieces that win you playoff rounds, let alone championships.

And frankly I see that contract as a potential albatross anyway. Marner strikes me as exactly the kind of player that benefits a lot from playing with other elite talent, and is very likely to have a big drop off in production under different circumstances.

I also agree.

I think there is bit of a redundancy with Marner and Huberdeau. Sure, there are differences, there always are, but they profile similarly. If Huberdeau had one year left on his deal, sure, maybe it’s not as big of an issue but I think the Flames would need to be a bit more strategic in their roster building. From the outside looking in there still seems to be no off ramp with Huberdeau. Arguably the only silver lining here is nice uptick in production (no gaurantee that lasts as the years go by) and a rising cap. Maybe, maybe, there might be a chance to move him 2-3 years down the road with retention.

I think there’s a chance this recent discussion on Marner and the flames might be a smoke screen. Maybe they’re angling to drive the price up on Anaheim who I think will be pursuing Marner. (Probably a stretch, I’ll admit).

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I had a friend from Russia explain to me in less than 20 seconds why he chose Calgary to raise his family over other cities in North America. And he had lived in NYC for a while. It was eye opening to hear.

There’s a world of difference between what an average person looking to raise a family looks for in a city and what a young pro athlete earning millions a year looks for. Things like public schools, public transportation, job opportunities, and cost of living are irrelevant to people who will be living in affluent enclaves with private sports clubs, high-end clubs and restaurants, private schools, etc.