Just so we’re clear though - when Conservative MPs do dumbass #### like take pictures with losers, it’s totally fair game to get riled up and crap on them and extrapolate that to all Conservative Party members, but complaining about Liberal MPs/current cabinet ministers who have done damaging things to our country doing dumbass things is overreacting soap boxy and dumb to get riled up about?
Because I view Guilbeault and those loser Conservatives in the exact same way, and I want Canadians to hold both equally accountable.
You view saying 40% instead of 80% the same as nazism and fascism?
Cool man. Totally normal and balanced take. Great stuff glad we did this.
Can you show me a source of which MPs were Nazis and Fascists and said so? Or was it the Liberals who paraded a Nazi in the HoC?
You’re the one who equated not knowing a number to posing for pictures with “losers.” Unless you’re referring to other losers. Maybe there are more losers of many different stripes the conservatives hang out with than I am aware of.
Sorry champ, ball remains in your court.
EDIT: oh I see we’re going to move the goalposts now and pretend this is about more than what I was talking about. You know you’ve lost the argument when…
You’re the one who equated not knowing a number to posing for pictures with “losers.” Unless you’re referring to other losers. Maybe there are more losers of many different stripes the conservatives hang out with than I am aware of.
Sorry champ, ball remains in your court.
EDIT: oh I see we’re going to move the goalposts now and pretend this is about more than what I was talking about. You know you’ve lost the argument when…
LOL the champion of moving goalposts is talking about moving goalposts. Maybe you skipped (or selectively ignored) a lot of posts if you think the only criticism I had of Guilbeault is that he screwed up numbers. But then again, it would be really stupid of me to think you’re trying to have an argument in good faith instead of the same old tired game of gotcha you try to play.
Just have to say that Hyperloops are a scam. Even the Elongated Muskrat has admitted that. They are not feasible in any sense to build.
To be fair here, Musk is not capable of providing any sort of assessment as to the feasibility given his credentials. The scam was to propose the technology as an alternative to high speed rail in California, with the goal of neither being built by causing confusion with an apparent alternative. He did this because he sells cars and is beyond rich, so any form of public transit is reprehensible and a business threat to him.
So for the same reasons, I think any hyperloop proposal is not even worth acknowledging until someone proves the technology and establishes cost. We should put zero public attention to anyone who proposes any until then.
To be fair here, Musk is not capable of providing any sort of assessment as to the feasibility given his credentials. The scam was to propose the technology as an alternative to high speed rail in California, with the goal of neither being built by causing confusion with an apparent alternative. He did this because he sells cars and is beyond rich, so any form of public transit is reprehensible and a business threat to him.
So for the same reasons, I think any hyperloop proposal is not even worth acknowledging until someone proves the technology and establishes cost. We should put zero public attention to anyone who proposes any until then.
To be fair, Elon didn't even have to bother trying to meddle with California's high speed rail because that whole program has been a disaster in terms of planning and implementation and it will never get done. The LA/Vegas Brightline will probably happen though. California high speed rail is looking at doing Merced to Bakersfield as the test segment which is such a huge waste of time, effort and funding.
LOL the champion of moving goalposts is talking about moving goalposts. Maybe you skipped (or selectively ignored) a lot of posts if you think the only criticism I had of Guilbeault is that he screwed up numbers. But then again, it would be really stupid of me to think you’re trying to have an argument in good faith instead of the same old tired game of gotcha you try to play.
Yeah I skipped a bunch of posts including yours. I watched the video, didn’t think much of it outside him being stupid, and was selectively replying to the few posts I had read that seemed overdramatic regarding the content of the video.
I’m genuinely unsure why you thought my posts had anything to do with you if I wasn’t replying to you and wasn’t addressing the content of your actual posts lol. But I dunno man I guess you goaded me into the right amount of responses so you could throw a few personal shots my way. You win.
Didn’t know where to post this. Crown reduced the initial second degree murder charge to manslaughter to avoid a trial so the ####### serves only 10 more years. Beautiful young girl’s life cut short. Gross.
“Kelowna man sentenced for deadly attack on young UBC-Okanagan security guard
The cousin of a young security guard whose life was violently cut short in Kelowna, B.C., is deeply disappointed in the sentence handed down on Wednesday to a man responsible for her death.
Harmandeep Kaur died in February 2022 after a brutal attack on the UBC-Okanagan campus.
“Fifteen years does not reflect the gravity of harm done,” said Amrit Pal Singh. “This falls short of justice.”
Supreme Court Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes sentenced Dante Ognibene-Hebbourn, 24, to 15 years in prison, less time served.
It means Ognibene-Hebbourn, who’s been in custody since April 2022, is expected to spend an additional 10 years behind bars.
“Fifteen years is nothing,” Singh told reporters outside of the courtroom. “Ten years from now, he’ll be 34 years old. We don’t know what he will do. There could be another Harmandeep.”
Ognibene-Hebbourn was initially charged with second-degree murder but agreed to plead guilty to the lesser charge of manslaughter, meaning a trial was not necessary.
Kaur was on shift in the early morning of Feb. 26, 2022, when the attack occurred, most of which was captured on the university’s surveillance cameras.
Ognibene-Hebbourn also worked on campus as a janitor and the two were described as friendly to one another.
But on that morning, Ognibene-Hebbourn, who has a lengthy history of mental health troubles, was in a “profound state of psychosis,” according to psychiatric reports.
Security footage showed Ognibene-Hebbourn, who was only wearing pants and shoes, following Kaur with the assault starting a short time after.
The video shows Kaur being beaten three separate times in a span of about 15 minutes.
He kicked and punched her and slammed her to the ground. The video shows him coming back two more times after the initial attack.
Court heard that Ognibene-Hebbourn stomped on Kaur, who was in the fetal position for much of the time, with his full body weight a total of 21 times.
Ognibene-Hebbourn was detained a short time after under the Mental Health Act and then arrested and charged about a month later.
That’s when he told police that Kaur had seen him masturbating that fateful morning and he feared she would tell others.
He also told police that Kaur had accused him of eating corpses and being a cannibal.
Court also heard that Ognibene-Hebbourn had been admitted to hospital numerous times over the years and that he had stopped taking his anti-psychosis medication in the months leading up to the deadly attack, turning instead to illicit drugs.
The judge called the attack utterly meaningless with no motive other than Ognibene-Hebbourn’s “distorted thoughts.”
Ognibene-Hebbourn did not address Kaur’s family at the sentencing hearing.
Justice Holmes explained he chose not to because he said if it were him, he would not want to hear from the person that caused so much harm.
Kaur immigrated to Canada from India in 2015 and had received her permanent residency just one month prior to the attack.
She was working towards becoming a paramedic at the time of her death.”
Didn’t know where to post this. Crown reduced the initial second degree murder charge to manslaughter to avoid a trial so the ####### serves only 10 more years. Beautiful young girl’s life cut short. Gross.
“Kelowna man sentenced for deadly attack on young UBC-Okanagan security guard
The cousin of a young security guard whose life was violently cut short in Kelowna, B.C., is deeply disappointed in the sentence handed down on Wednesday to a man responsible for her death.
are you sure about the bolded? The manslaughter charge seems like it had more to do with his psychosis and illegal drug addled state and not to avoid a trial. It doesn't seem that the crown prosecutors chose the lesser charge just because.
I'll agree it doesn't seem fair, only 15 years, but hopefully his refusal to take medication and follow treatment will give them a chance to lock him up longer.
"Undisputed forensic psychiatric evidence indicates that although Mr. Ognibene Hebbourn was criminally responsible for his conduct in killing Ms. Kaur, he did not qualify for a verdict of not criminally responsible by reason of medical disorder, his ability to form the specific intent for murder was likely impaired."
Holmes acknowledged, however, that's small consolation for the family who will feel profound loss for the rest of their lives.
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The Crown has a duty not to pursue a charge it doesn’t think is correct. If there’s doubt that murder is the correct charge, this was the proper decision.
On a more macro scale, this type of stuff is just right wing rage bait. There are far more cases of overcharging than undercharging. And plenty of cases where sentences are too harsh, or bail denied without good reason that’s the opposite.
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I don’t even know why they were asking him the question at all, but what’s he going to say “I’m well versed and fully supportive of pipelines now?”
He said something stupid, but people are acting like he just put policy in place. People are way overreacting if they think this is harmful.
It also shouldn't surprising he gets questioned on pipelines considering his very well known anti-pipeline stance that contradicts Carney's recent interview and considering his previous portfolio was responsible for bills such as C-69. What is surprising is not deferring the question line (the right thing to do) and instead make Trump like #### up on the spot because that's the dumb takes far ends of the spectrum tend to have. He's always been a major liability and a loose cannon, and as a cabinet minister he does in fact speak for the government.
Guilbeault outside of Trudeau and arguably maybe Freeland are by far the most responsible Liberal members for the deeply unpopular Trudeau government and resentment that almost nearly sunk the Liberals. Carney needs to step in and put his foot down or his messaging will be drowned out fast and regret keeping him on in cabinet.
This likely isn't the focus that Carney wanted on day one of his new cabinet, but we here we have some of the same old usuals (once again) who can't help themselves who still have to excuse this clearly dumbass behavior simply because it gives an opportunity to 'own the cons'.
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This likely isn't the focus that Carney wanted on day one of his new cabinet, but we here we have some of the same old usuals (once again) who can't help themselves who still have to excuse this clearly dumbass behavior simply because it gives an opportunity to 'own the cons'.
Pretty sure I called the behaviour “stupid” more than once but I see we’re back to strawmanning other people’s positions. Learned a lot over the last 6 months I see. Guess a leopard can pretend to change its spots without actually doing it.
Environmental Protection: Julie’s action on the environment and climate change includes work to modernize the Canada Environmental Protection Act, which includes developing the ban on single-use plastics and building a circular economy that places responsibility on the producers of waste to ensure that their items do not end up in landfill. She has supported putting a price on carbon pollution, has taken a strong stance against oil sands expansion, and has promoted the critical need for a transition from fossil fuels to a low-carbon economy. She has shared the priorities of local environmental groups with her colleagues in Ottawa. As a local resident who relies on cycling, walking and transit to get around the city, Julie is committed to federal support for public transit and cycling infrastructure.
- Ban on single use plastics was/ is a losing policy, but popular among the urban toronto crowd.
- producer responsibility for recycling is a very common policy in the developed world now.
- industrial price on carbon is a key Carney policy as well.
- Oil sands expansion: hard to see a positive here, though i suspect again this is heavily driven by her personal riding's inclinations about it. Time to see if this will hold up. Further, whenever someone talks about regulatory hurdles to oil sands growth now, I can't help but come back to this brilliant Andrew Leach tweet: https://x.com/andrew_leach/status/1882834950740914640
It's not just regulatory hurdles stopping development. All of these sites are already approved, but havent been built because they're uneconomical in today's conditions, or the export capacity hasn't developed to suit them yet. Notable that the minister says nothing about exports or pipelines.
- transition to a low carbon economy; that's coming directly from the local environmental groups she also mentions (interest group in riding...) and is just buzzword soup for center left politicians these days. IMO you could talk her into an ammonia pipeline based on this thinking.
Effectively, someone who has lived in Toronto / Ottawa / Montreal her whole life and seeing things from a center of the universe Toronto / Montreal perspective without much insight to the rest of Canada.
This doesn't help the criticism but at least she hasn't climbed the CN Tower. And let's be honest, I would rather have someone who does care about the environment than someone who doesn't. It however needs to be pragmatic and understanding that many parts of Canada still depend on carbon emitting industries and need to be taken in consideration.
Apprehensive on the appointment.
On another note, single use ban of plastics applying to those compostable co-op bags still grates me as a virtue signaling action versus a pragmatic one.
Pretty sure I called the behaviour “stupid” more than once but I see we’re back to strawmanning other people’s positions. Learned a lot over the last 6 months I see. Guess a leopard can pretend to change its spots without actually doing it.
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You view saying 40% instead of 80% the same as nazism and fascism?
Cool man. Totally normal and balanced take. Great stuff glad we did this.
The guy who literally brought in Nazism and fascism in the discussion when he's losing an argument is talking about strawman?
I can like Carney and vote Liberal while utterly despise Guilbeault you know. Even you should be able to admit one is much more competent than the other.
The guy who literally brought in Nazism and fascism in the discussion when he's losing an argument is talking about strawman?
I can like Carney and vote Liberal while utterly despise Guilbeault you know. Even you should be able to admit one is much more competent than the other.
I wasn’t the one who brought up the Cons taking photos with “losers,” which we all know the type of losers they end up accidentally in photos with, I just responded to it. Feel free to go back and read it again.
As to the “even you should be able to admit…” comment, I did, multiple times. Hell, I quoted Hanlon’s Razor in reference to Guilbeault lol. You’re such a goose.
Environmental Protection: Julie’s action on the environment and climate change includes work to modernize the Canada Environmental Protection Act, which includes developing the ban on single-use plastics and building a circular economy that places responsibility on the producers of waste to ensure that their items do not end up in landfill. She has supported putting a price on carbon pollution, has taken a strong stance against oil sands expansion, and has promoted the critical need for a transition from fossil fuels to a low-carbon economy. She has shared the priorities of local environmental groups with her colleagues in Ottawa. As a local resident who relies on cycling, walking and transit to get around the city, Julie is committed to federal support for public transit and cycling infrastructure.
- Ban on single use plastics was/ is a losing policy, but popular among the urban toronto crowd.
- producer responsibility for recycling is a very common policy in the developed world now.
- industrial price on carbon is a key Carney policy as well.
- Oil sands expansion: hard to see a positive here, though i suspect again this is heavily driven by her personal riding's inclinations about it. Time to see if this will hold up. Further, whenever someone talks about regulatory hurdles to oil sands growth now, I can't help but come back to this brilliant Andrew Leach tweet: https://x.com/andrew_leach/status/1882834950740914640
It's not just regulatory hurdles stopping development. All of these sites are already approved, but havent been built because they're uneconomical in today's conditions, or the export capacity hasn't developed to suit them yet. Notable that the minister says nothing about exports or pipelines.
- transition to a low carbon economy; that's coming directly from the local environmental groups she also mentions (interest group in riding...) and is just buzzword soup for center left politicians these days. IMO you could talk her into an ammonia pipeline based on this thinking.
Wait, the Environment Minister has done some things championing the climate and environment? Big if true.
This isn't Alberta where the Environment Minister is just the second Energy Minister.
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Wait, the Environment Minister has done some things championing the climate and environment? Big if true.
This isn't Alberta where the Environment Minister is just the second Energy Minister.
Some people here are petroleum uber alles to a fault. No room for any environmental efforts at all if they cause the least bit of inconvenience for oil companies.
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The right has so completely warped the narrative on Environmental protection that I'm sure people are starting to question if Reduce, Reuse, Recycle is woke.
Meanwhile in the US the head of the EPA is a climate change denier and in Alberta were just totally going to let some Australian billionaires pollute our drinking water, because Go energy! Go resources! Go billionaires!
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Just have to say that Hyperloops are a scam. Even the Elongated Muskrat has admitted that. They are not feasible in any sense to build.
Calling the technology a scam is a bit much.
India has built a test tube and is preparing to build a 50KM tube to continue working to validate the technology. It is early days but the technology is coming together.
Alberta is supposedly an innovative place with smart people who like to figure things out (and we are in need of more industry diversification). If we used the Fort Mac or Edmonton to Calgary run to build test tubes and solidify the technology then we could stand up a transportation industry and be leaders in it as opposed to waiting for another country to figure it out and sell it to us.
Anyway, the point is to look toward the future instead of looking to a legacy technology that is likely to become obsolete before it pays for itself. If you don't like Hyperloops then you'll hate my next suggestion of developing a space elevator.
India has built a test tube and is preparing to build a 50KM tube to continue working to validate the technology. It is early days but the technology is coming together.
Alberta is supposedly an innovative place with smart people who like to figure things out (and we are in need of more industry diversification). If we used the Fort Mac or Edmonton to Calgary run to build test tubes and solidify the technology then we could stand up a transportation industry and be leaders in it as opposed to waiting for another country to figure it out and sell it to us.
Anyway, the point is to look toward the future instead of looking to a legacy technology that is likely to become obsolete before it pays for itself. If you don't like Hyperloops then you'll hate my next suggestion of developing a space elevator.
