Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Johnny199r]

Sean Fraser must have access to a steady stream of the most compromising pictures of politicians somewhere at his disposal because it's the only explanation for how he continues to fail upwards.

He was previously the minister in charge of immigration and then housing. What are two things the federal government completely fumbled beyond repair during their time in government? You got it, immigration and housing.

He then announces he's done with politics when it looks like the Liberal ship is sinking but reverses course after JT resigns and the Liberals catch lightning in a bottle and is now named minister of justice.

I don't know the guy, I've never met him. He was year behind me in law school at Dalhousie. I wish I had his luck in life.

Also naming the former mayor of Vancouver the minister of housing is sure to inspire confidence. He'll make housing more affordable and cut through red tape for sure! You can't make this stuff up.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I know him personally, or I used to. Haven't really seen much of him since he moved back east to run in 2015. He's a smart guy. As for how he got the position, maybe that was the deal for him to come back. But I think it's the position he is best suited for and I'm pretty confident in his ability in that role.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

That is a ridiculous appointment, I don't get the impression he cares much about Canadian culture. Minster of official languages I can see but identity and culture hahahaha

From the first Carney cabinet (for as long as it was)
Steven Guilbeault is still in charge of Canadian identity and culture and official languages.

[Fuzz]

I think having Freeland for internal trade makes a lot of sense. She knows what she is doing in this area and can get deals done. Why waste a good resource because of...I dunno? Trump and Putin hate her?

[Firebot]

Freeland, Guilbeault and Fraser staying on board.

Freeland staying is not unexpected but considering Fraser had 2 feet out the door when the ship was sinking and his disaster of a portfolio as minister of immigration, he gets another big cabinet position and attorney general to boot. He was not needed to be brought back in by Carney, one of the biggest headscratchers

And Guilbeault is back albeit in a smaller role and less prominent.

These 3 were the backbone of the Trudeau era and each played a huge part in its unpopularity, and all 3 are being kept.

Outside of this, there is a lean towards an economy focused cabinet with who else is staying or getting added and hopefully we see this come to fruition.

[Parallex]

Yeah, Solid cabinet. Little surprised that Alty is in from the Territories, I would have thought that they might have gone with the MP from the Yukon since it shares a border with the U.S. but I can see wanting someone with executive experience.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I know him personally, or I used to. Haven't really seen much of him since he moved back east to run in 2015. He's a smart guy. As for how he got the position, maybe that was the deal for him to come back. But I think it's the position he is best suited for and I'm pretty confident in his ability in that role.

Hopefully he does better than he did in his last two cabinet posts.

[Monahammer]

Guillbeault is in a joke position in cabinet. Don't get your undergarments all bunched about it. It's a handout, but ultimately we likely won't need to hear from him at all over the next 4 years.

Freeland is in a position where she could theoretically do harm, but having engaged with her when she was in finance I feel like this portfolio actually suits her more and she will likely be able to succeed in pushing some critical things forward for trade corridors if that is the route the feds are going, as they said.

Fraser is a bit of a strange one. Maybe he's got some big party donors behind him.

Hodgson, I am somewhat interested in this one. Don't know why we didn't hear much about him during the election, but he seems like a 2nd Carney. That is the type of leadership and candidate that the liberals should be holding up and touting. I am encouraged by his helming the NR portfolio. Definitely going to see some mines move forward, I have a feeling he's already talking with Wab.

[Torture]

Surprised Hogan didn't get a cabinet seat.
Freeland is not a good communicator but she is smart and competent, this is probably a good spot for her. Meh about Guilbault that's a nothingburger of a portfolio. Also meh about Fraser.
Seems Albertans should like Hodgson's resume but we'll probably find a reason to file a hurt feelings report.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Torture

Surprised Hogan didn't get a cabinet seat.
Freeland is not a good communicator but she is smart and competent, this is probably a good spot for her. Meh about Guilbault that's a nothingburger of a portfolio. Also meh about Fraser.
Seems Albertans should like Hodgson's resume but we'll probably find a reason to file a hurt feelings report.

I have yet to see any evidence for this.

Disasterclass of a finance minister, and she's about as unpopular with Canadians as Trudeau is, so this (and Fraser and Guillbeault) doesn't exactly inspire confidence so far.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Freeland, Guilbeault and Fraser staying on board.

Freeland staying is not unexpected but considering Fraser had 2 feet out the door when the ship was sinking and his disaster of a portfolio as minister of immigration, he gets another big cabinet position and attorney general to boot. He was not needed to be brought back in by Carney, one of the biggest headscratchers

And Guilbeault is back albeit in a smaller role and less prominent.

These 3 were the backbone of the Trudeau era and each played a huge part in its unpopularity, and all 3 are being kept.

Outside of this, there is a lean towards an economy focused cabinet with who else is staying or getting added and hopefully we see this come to fruition.

and they are still better than any people who the Cons would have thrown up.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I have yet to see any evidence for this.

Disasterclass of a finance minister, and she's about as unpopular with Canadians as Trudeau is, so this (and Fraser and Guillbeault) doesn't exactly inspire confidence so far.

Guilbeault's portfolio will have no impact on us. You can breathe easy and just forget about that boogeyman under your bed.

Freeland, though I agree inadequate in the role of Finance Minister, has been focused on interprovincial trade and corridors for a while. She was taking meetings on this while she was finance minister. She has some reasonable knowledge built up about shipping corridors for LNG, Ammonia, and critical minerals. Out of all choices, she is actually fairly good for this one in the sense that she should be able to hit the ground running with actual policy change if Carney's stated direction during the campaign holds true. Give her a bit of time here.

Fraser, this one i do agree with. A bit bizarre overall. I personally don't have the same concern about the justice system that some do though, so again for me this doesn't rate as that important or worrisome. Just kind of a thing.

Hodgson looks like he could be a great pick, and I am definitely willing to wait for judgement on this one. If this guy had run blue he would be the most qualified minister and would be a candidate for leadership imo... let's not be hasty on passing judgement until we see what he does.

The new minister of environment and climate change is a bit of an enigma box: Julie Dabrusin

She's run in a fairly centrist riding. A lawyer with history in fighting corruption and procurement practices... No real history on environmental files that I can pick out prior to being the secretary under Duguid. She's going to be interesting. Seems like she could be a sleeper minister, someone put in as a reward but unlikely to drive policy herself and more likely to take marching orders on what direction should be from leadership. That could be promising. Definitely doesn't seem like an eco warrior and no where close to the history of Guilbeault, or even Wilkinson with his hydrogen company.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Guilbeault's portfolio will have no impact on us. You can breathe easy and just forget about that boogeyman under your bed.

Freeland, though I agree inadequate in the role of Finance Minister, has been focused on interprovincial trade and corridors for a while. She was taking meetings on this while she was finance minister. She has some reasonable knowledge built up about shipping corridors for LNG, Ammonia, and critical minerals. Out of all choices, she is actually fairly good for this one in the sense that she should be able to hit the ground running with actual policy change if Carney's stated direction during the campaign holds true. Give her a bit of time here.

Fraser, this one i do agree with. A bit bizarre overall. I personally don't have the same concern about the justice system that some do though, so again for me this doesn't rate as that important or worrisome. Just kind of a thing.

Hodgson looks like he could be a great pick, and I am definitely willing to wait for judgement on this one. If this guy had run blue he would be the most qualified minister and would be a candidate for leadership imo... let's not be hasty on passing judgement until we see what he does.

The new minister of environment and climate change is a bit of an enigma box: Julie Dabrusin

She's run in a fairly centrist riding. A lawyer with history in fighting corruption and procurement practices... No real history on environmental files that I can pick out prior to being the secretary under Duguid. She's going to be interesting. Seems like she could be a sleeper minister, someone put in as a reward but unlikely to drive policy herself and more likely to take marching orders on what direction should be from leadership. That could be promising. Definitely doesn't seem like an eco warrior and no where close to the history of Guilbeault, or even Wilkinson with his hydrogen company.

How much a specific appointment is or is not going to affect me personally is irrelevant. I don't care that Guillbeault is in a position that can't do a lot of harm. Incompetent people shouldn't hold cabinet positions, and it doesn't inspire confidence in the ruling party to hold them in high positions, even if they can't do damage.

If we're judging our cabinet by their ability to do damage or not, what the hell are we doing as a country. How is that any different than Trumpers saying "don't worry, they can't actually do anything that bad"

[Monahammer]

I don't think JM's comment was helpful, or useful, as per usual. But it actually does fit in relation to your post, "Prince".

The cons would have posted a far worse cabinet. Can you imagine Michael Cooper as justice minister. Even typing that gave me a full body revulsive reaction. You seem to ignore that Guilbeault does represent a legitimate interest group (whether or not you agree with them) within the liberal caucus. Putting him in cabinet does service that interest group, who the liberals need to keep somewhat happy to hold on to power.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't think JM's comment was helpful, or useful, as per usual. But it actually does fit in relation to your post, "Prince".

The cons would have posted a far worse cabinet. Can you imagine Michael Cooper as justice minister. Even typing that gave me a full body revulsive reaction. You seem to ignore that Guilbeault does represent a legitimate interest group (whether or not you agree with them) within the liberal caucus. Putting him in cabinet does service that interest group, who the liberals need to keep somewhat happy to hold on to power.

lol except it was useful.... hahahahaha

but carry on with your hate. I love it!

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

How much a specific appointment is or is not going to affect me personally is irrelevant. I don't care that Guillbeault is in a position that can't do a lot of harm. Incompetent people shouldn't hold cabinet positions, and it doesn't inspire confidence in the ruling party to hold them in high positions, even if they can't do damage.

If we're judging our cabinet by their ability to do damage or not, what the hell are we doing as a country. How is that any different than Trumpers saying "don't worry, they can't actually do anything that bad"

Again, if your defence of the cabinet is that certain members can't do much damage and that the Conservatives would have been worse anyways, that's a pretty terrible argument. I'm not trying to argue that the Conservatives should have won. They shouldn't have - they ran an atrocious campaign with an awful leader that can't seem to grasp what Canadians actually want. That doesn't mean I can't criticize the cabinet choices of this government.

I seem to remember a lot of people on this board (rightfully) chastising the Conservatives for not having an actual platform and instead just talking about how bad the Trudeau Liberals were. Well, pot, meet kettle.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Yeah, Solid cabinet. Little surprised that Alty is in from the Territories, I would have thought that they might have gone with the MP from the Yukon since it shares a border with the U.S. but I can see wanting someone with executive experience.

It's as un-Trudeau a cabinet as Carney could be expected to get. It's not like time afforded him to cajole a bunch of people to run in the election.

I like the Hodgson pick, but I'm probably biased as he's a utility guy.

Evan Solomon's ministry sounds made up, it's a title that one would get if they used a BS job title generator website they only missed adding the word transformation in there.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't think JM's comment was helpful, or useful, as per usual. But it actually does fit in relation to your post, "Prince".

The cons would have posted a far worse cabinet. Can you imagine Michael Cooper as justice minister. Even typing that gave me a full body revulsive reaction. You seem to ignore that Guilbeault does represent a legitimate interest group (whether or not you agree with them) within the liberal caucus. Putting him in cabinet does service that interest group, who the liberals need to keep somewhat happy to hold on to power.

I can certainly imagine Michael Cooper, a lawyer with a law degree as justice minister would be less disastrous than a radical ecoterrorist as environment and climate change minister which actually did in fact happen versus a hypothetical. Let's not forget what we came from here and the consistent grifting that the Trudeau government did which caused it to become so unpopular.

[puffnstuff]

This Michael Cooper
On January 29, 2022, Cooper attended the#Freedom Convoy 2022#protest in Ottawa and handed out coffee to participants alongside fellow Alberta Conservative MP#Damien Kurek. Cooper was interviewed on-site by#CBC News#as a convoy protester in the background was seen holding a Canadian flag defaced with a#swastika. The interview prompted a joint statement by Edmonton mayor#Amarjeet Sohi#and St.Albert mayor Cathy Heron declaring that they were troubled by the photograph and that Cooper did not represent the values of their constituents.[45]#Later that night, Cooper released a statement saying that he was unaware of the swastika-defaced flag, condemned Nazism as "the purest form of evil" and the decision to fly the flag as "reprehensible", but said it was not representative of the majority of Freedom Convoy protestors.[46]

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Guillbeault is in a joke position in cabinet. Don't get your undergarments all bunched about it. It's a handout, but ultimately we likely won't need to hear from him at all over the next 4 years

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Guilbeault's portfolio will have no impact on us. You can breathe easy and just forget about that boogeyman under your bed.

Clearly you have forgotten Guilbeault's that previous disastrous tenure as minister of Heritage (effectively the same role he now has) was one of complete incompetence where he was trying to ram C-10 yet he couldn't explain why it was so badly needed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gui...-c10-1.6026949

While I can certainly understand why Carney gave him a cabinet role, even as a handout, he doesn't belong in one, and catering to special interest groups is simply just more of the same.

We will hear from him.