[News] Ducks to name Joel Quenneville as next Head Coach

[Goriders]

Anaheim took a big step this year. Guess they were thinking they needed an upgrade in coaching horsepower to keep going

[SuperMatt18]

He probably shouldn't have coached in the NHL again TBH, just like Bowman should have never been GM again.

But once he was reinstated it was only a matter of time, too much success as an NHL coach for somebody to not take the chance on it.

[serratedmuffin]

This felt inevitable and that's disappointing. Second chances are hugely important for a healthy society for people putting in the work. I don't know if he has, and if he truly has remorse or just if he's remorseful for being caught. Personally I'm disgusted by this hire as I feel there is enough talent out there you don't need to make this hire.

[dustygoon]

I guess you have to draw the line at various degrees of wrong....who can you rehabilitate and who needs to be hung. So many folks love cancel culture.

The sport is better off if we give a 2nd chance to someone that can actually help change. Maybe Quenneville can foster change. Babcock couldn't, so i know there are risks.

And it's meaningful that Kyle Beach gave his blessing for JQ to get a shot again.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

You claimed a sport with a large Black players has lots of felons without any evidence.

While also defending a bunch of old white men who covered up a crime.

That’s a bit of a stretch.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

The "There are 800 convicted felons playing in the NFL" started as a pretty thinly veiled racist "stat" during during the BLM protests and kneeling during the anthem, and used these exact stats as "Proof".

I didn’t know that.

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Certainly the NFL isn't perfect, and every league looks the other way if a player is good enough.

Which is exactly my point - which you seem to be deliberately trying to misconstrue. I said “pro sports,” then used the NFL as an example. Because it’s the most popular one.

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

You said yourself, "Hard to find exact numbers", so what do you think the number is?

If you really don't know, why bring it up?

Because there have been several high-profile cases of NFL players getting jobs after they’ve been charged with serious crimes. If I walked to a C-Train station right now and started asking people to name a famous athlete who was signed after facing serious criminal charges, I’m betting DeShaun Watson is the first name to come up. Is that because of racism, or because the NFL is the most popular sport in North America and Watson is a star player?

Now, maybe some enlightened, non-racist person would site a white Norwegian water polo player. Or a white Belgian cyclist. While I think we can agree that person has a lot to teach us about anti-racism, we can’t all expect to be held to those elevated standards.

The identity of the person who transgressed isn’t important anyway. The people making the ethical choice are the ones doing the hiring. If the NHL, the NFL, or the Norwegian water polo league hires someone with a serious transgression in their past, it’s because the managers want to win and the owner wants to make money, and they’re willing to take the PR hit in the pursuit of that goal.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I guess you have to draw the line at various degrees of wrong....who can you rehabilitate and who needs to be hung. So many folks love cancel culture.

The sport is better off if we give a 2nd chance to someone that can actually help change. Maybe Quenneville can foster change. Babcock couldn't, so i know there are risks.

And it's meaningful that Kyle Beach gave his blessing for JQ to get a shot again.

Throwing around the term “cancel culture” is lazy.

Rehabilitation, second chances, these things can (and should) happen outside the scope of the complete restoration of the privilege and power someone had before they harmed someone else. That isn’t the standard we use outside of professional sports, so I’m not sure why that’s the only standard certain people insist on using within it.

Saying Quenneville shouldn’t be an NHL head coach again isn’t in any way suggesting he isn’t deserving of the chance to rehabilitate or having a second a second chance. We need to think a little bit differently about what those things actually mean if that’s our definition.

[gvitaly]

Wasn't Huberdeau a 115 point winger for coach Q? Maybe there's a deal to be had.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I guess you have to draw the line at various degrees of wrong....who can you rehabilitate and who needs to be hung. So many folks love cancel culture.

Holy ####ing hell, what is with some of you? Rehabilitation should not include being welcomed back to the NHL. Rehabilitation is Quenneville coming forward and admitting what he did was wrong, admitting what he did was hurtful and doing what he needs to do to help make sure nothing like this ever happens again. As far as I know he's done none of this.

Originally Posted by dustygoon

The sport is better off if we give a 2nd chance to someone that can actually help change. Maybe Quenneville can foster change. Babcock couldn't, so i know there are risks.

What change are we hoping he fosters? Not letting players get raped while under his watch again? This isn't a situation where he was mean. This isn't a situation where he had out of date ideas on how to motivate players. He had a player get sexually assaulted and then sang the praises of his rapist. This isn't the type of thing you should get a second kick at the can after.

Originally Posted by dustygoon

And it's meaningful that Kyle Beach gave his blessing for JQ to get a shot again.

I think it is meaningful for Kyle Beach's healing that he could find it in him self to forgive Quenneville. It makes him a better man than Quenneville ever was or ever will be. It still shouldn't allow Quenneville back into the NHL.

[Erick Estrada]

I think there should be some differentiation from player and coach. A player just goes out there to perform their task while the head coach is looked at as the supervisor/leader of men where high character is usually a requirement. Jon Gruden didn't commit a crime or anything but some emails were unearthed that could be considered racist, homophobic and misogynistic. Those emails were made in private years prior when he was working with ESPN and no player or person was directly harmed but he will never be a head coach in the NFL again. Quenneville was involved in a coverup of sexual abuse of a player while serving as an NHL head coach and he's now been afforded another opportunity to coach in the NHL again. I believe in 2nd chances but his 2nd chance should have come in a different league and not by the same league that employed him when he was part of a coverup.

[chummer]

I'm all for a 2nd chance, love a good redemption story.

Even Kyle Beach is ok with the hire, that's enough for me.

Good for Quenneville, great hire by the Ducks.

[Coach]

Blaster86 has said basically everything I think about this already so....+1 to all that.

F*** this guy.

[DoubleK]

The Pacific division just got better.

Won't take Q long to whip the Ducks into shape.

[flamesfan1297]

Alot of people may not like this hire, but from a strictly hockey perspective, this is a good hire for the Ducks and the Pacific Division just got tougher

[Paulie Walnuts]

He shouldn’t be coaching again just like Bowman shouldn’t be back either. It’s so interesting both are back in the NHL in our division.

He is one of the best coaches of all time and he has a lot to work with in Anaheim which just makes things much more difficult for us.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

Alot of people may not like this hire, but from a strictly hockey perspective, this is a good hire for the Ducks and the Pacific Division just got tougher

I hope the Flames never decide to assess such situations from a ‘strictly hockey perspective.’

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I didn’t know that.



Which is exactly my point - which you seem to be deliberately trying to misconstrue. I said “pro sports,” then used the NFL as an example. Because it’s the most popular one.



Because there have been several high-profile cases of NFL players getting jobs after they’ve been charged with serious crimes. If I walked to a C-Train station right now and started asking people to name a famous athlete who was signed after facing serious criminal charges, I’m betting DeShaun Watson is the first name to come up. Is that because of racism, or because the NFL is the most popular sport in North America and Watson is a star player?

Now, maybe some enlightened, non-racist person would site a white Norwegian water polo player. Or a white Belgian cyclist. While I think we can agree that person has a lot to teach us about anti-racism, we can’t all expect to be held to those elevated standards.

The identity of the person who transgressed isn’t important anyway. The people making the ethical choice are the ones doing the hiring. If the NHL, the NFL, or the Norwegian water polo league hires someone with a serious transgression in their past, it’s because the managers want to win and the owner wants to make money, and they’re willing to take the PR hit in the pursuit of that goal.

I mean Craig McTavish and Dany Heatley straight up killed people and were signed afterwards. It's the same sport we're talking about and you somehow missed them.

Hell, Todd Bertuzzi is right there, too.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I mean Craig McTavish and Dany Heatley straight up killed people and were signed afterwards. It's the same sport we're talking about and you somehow missed them.

Hell, Todd Bertuzzi is right there, too.

Qi’s transgressions are uglier in terms of true character because they were repeated. He didn’t only cover it up, he provided a positive recommendation for the guy to go and work on a different team… knowing what he was doing.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I mean Craig McTavish and Dany Heatley straight up killed people and were signed afterwards. It's the same sport we're talking about and you somehow missed them.

Hell, Todd Bertuzzi is right there, too.

I missed them when making the point that this stuff happens in every sport? Why would I use other hockey examples to make that point?

Almost anything will be forgiven in pro sports if the people signing the checks think it will help them win or make money.

Anyone surprised that the Ducks hired Quenneville lives under a rock. Anyone who think this is just a hockey thing lives under a slightly larger rock.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Expecting and wanting change after multiple significant events doesn’t mean people live under a rock. #### off with that ####.