2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[stemit14]

So how much needs to be added to that trade proposal to make it so they don’t say no? I have to assume that it will cost a lot because teams never trade away top five picks anymore. So it has to take a lot to get a team to break that trend.

How about this:

To San Jose:
18th overall + 22nd overall + Andersson + Mews + Poirier + Gridin

To Calgary:
2nd overall

That’s giving away a lot of assets. That’s a #2-3 defenceman + two first round picks + two of the flames’ top 5 prospects.

[jg13]

That's basically 5x 1st rounders in value and as much as i'd love Misa, he's not MacKenna.

San Jose would absolutely take that package.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by jg13

That's basically 5x 1st rounders in value and as much as i'd love Misa, he's not MacKenna.

San Jose would absolutely take that package.

I am not sure they would. It is a NHL 25 trade where assets just keep getting added. They have similarly valued prospects like Mews, Poirier, and Gridin in their system. If they think Misa is a #1C then they don't take it.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by jg13

That's basically 5x 1st rounders in value and as much as i'd love Misa, he's not MacKenna.

San Jose would absolutely take that package.

I agree it’s a lot but I think it will take an overpay to get a top 2 pick in any draft. The reality is that there is probably no package short of a signed Celebrini or a signed Bedard that any team would be willing to trade the McKenna pick for so saving those assets (basically 5x 1st rounders) in the hopes of using them to trade for the McKenna pick is likely not possible. I know you’re not suggesting that… I’m saying if that’s the cost to get an elite center like Misa, maybe it is worth it for the flames with where they are at in their rebuild/retool.

The flames have plenty of good assets but few elite young players (I’d say Parekh, Wolf and Coronato may be the only ones). To get an elite young centre without bottoming out could be a huge boost for this team. They would still have plenty of good young assets even after this trade. And they would still have all their picks next year.

It might be too much to pay but if San Jose was willing to make this trade, I would definitely consider it. The flames would still have their two first round picks next year in a very good draft. And they would still have lots of great young prospects/players that are on track to be middle six or even top six forwards (Coronato, Frost, Zary, Klapka, Honzek, L. Misa, Basha, and Battaglia). Their pool of young defencemen would still be a position of strength (Parekh, Bahl, Brz and Morin).

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am not sure they would. It is a NHL 25 trade where assets just keep getting added. They have similarly valued prospects like Mews, Poirier, and Gridin in their system. If they think Misa is a #1C then they don't take it.

This is a good point. But it’s basically the only assets I think I would want the flames to trade for the 2nd overall pick. It probably means the flames don’t have the assets to make this trade - or at least they won’t trade the assets required. Which is probably best - I would not trade Wolf or Parekh.

[CliffFletcher]

Nobody is moving a #2 pick unless there’s another top 8 pick as part of the package.

[jg13]

Well if it's not enough on the Flames end you can kiss that dream goodbye because Conroy is not offering roughly 5x 1sts in value for Misa.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'd love to see Crosby in Colorado. It would be so good for hockey in the west.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am not sure they would. It is a NHL 25 trade where assets just keep getting added. They have similarly valued prospects like Mews, Poirier, and Gridin in their system. If they think Misa is a #1C then they don't take it.

Mews might be one of their top RD prospects right out of the gate. He is still very boom/bust but their RD prospect depth is really bad.

However, they do not need D prospects as much as they need an entire top D pairing for next season. As hard as it is to get a top line C, it is also really hard to get 2 top pair D.

And, you know what the Sharks do not need? Another great forward prospect. Two big problems will happen with that:
1) Their top 6 is pretty full and Misa is not going to be happy playing third line minutes and/or pushed onto the wing for the start of his career. That would just mess with his bottom line for his career earnings.
2) If the Sharks roll out Ferraro & Liljegren as their top pair next season, they are going to get caved in, a lot, and Askarov is going to get scored on a lot. No amount of forward star power is going to fix that D depth.

From the Sharks perspective, it does make sense to trade the #2 pick to get a top pair D + other assets. Andersson + 18OA + Mews is a good package. I think something still needs to be added but I am not sure the 4th asset needs to be huge, especially with how good Mews is looking this season.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'd love to see Crosby in Colorado. It would be so good for hockey in the west.

Nobody in their right mind that is a fan of any other Western team wants to see that. Let him stay in Pittsburgh or out East.

[Samonadreau]

Would Sanjo take a look at Martone instead of Misa at 2 if Schaefer is gone?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jg13

That's basically 5x 1st rounders in value and as much as i'd love Misa, he's not MacKenna.

San Jose would absolutely take that package.

I think they would say no. Andersson doesn't fit their timeline. Mews is interesting but it's hard to say if he will pan out. The other pieces are ok but if you are Grier you want a sure thing. The problem with getting to two is it's going to take an overpay badly. If you want two I think it would take Parekh + 18 + 22 to get him to listen. In no way should the Flames entertain that but it's along the lines of what it would take.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Would Sanjo take a look at Martone instead of Misa at 2 if Schaefer is gone?

Maybe, but I doubt it. Misa is the better player and Celebrini-Misa as your one-two punch at centre for the next decade is insane

[gvitaly]

Why would SJ trade the 2nd overall for Andersson when they have so many young assets already?
I would try to target Chernyshov, as he was a steal in the 2nd round in 2024. 6'3", RS, good skating and hands.

I'm not as sold as some of you on Bystedt as I see more of a 3rd/4th line C. He had pretty much identical production to Sam Morton in the AHL last year. Much like Stromgren's first year in the AHL he was pretty inconsistent.

I'd be extremely happy if we could get Dickinson as a top pairing staple on LD.

Finally there's Musty, If you want a very skilled winger with size, that's your guy. It would've been a great pick if the Flames went with Musty instead of Honzek.

HM: I see Mukhamadullin turning into a 3/4 two-way D, with good skating and gaps. So maybe a package around Bysted + Shaq.

Long story short, any of those prospects makes a lot more sense in an Andersson trade than the 2nd overall.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'm not as sold as some of you on Bystedt as I see more of a 3rd/4th line C. He had pretty much identical production to Sam Morton in the AHL last year.

Sam Morton is 25, Bystedt is 21. It's why looking simply at production out of context is a dangerous practice.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Sam Morton is 25, Bystedt is 21. It's why looking simply at production out of context is a dangerous practice.

Agreed, that's why I mentioned Stromgren as well acknowledging, that there could be more there, as I was one of Stromgren's biggest critics in his first year in NA.

The projections I've seen of Bystedt have his upside as a middle 6 C in the NHL. I think his top draft comparables were Shmaltz, Coyle, Brandon Sutter, and Lazar, but I could be wrong on that one.

Here's my uneducated projection of what he develops into:

• 1C < 10%
• 2C ~ 25%
• 3C ~ 40%
• 4C/Bust > 25%

[Vinny01]

It was exciting when the flames were in the mix to move up 10 spots. If they got to 6 I think it would have been very doable to make a deal with the Sharks for 2 but now it is a huge stretch that I don’t see happening.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Wolven

From the Sharks perspective, it does make sense to trade the #2 pick to get a top pair D + other assets. Andersson + 18OA + Mews is a good package. I think something still needs to be added but I am not sure the 4th asset needs to be huge, especially with how good Mews is looking this season.

It’s really not a good package for the Sharks though. Andersson’s value is somewhere around a mid to late first and a toss in prospect. That plus the 18th overall and an expendable prospect doesn’t get a top two pick. The only thing that makes sense for them as a base is Parekh.

[albertGQ]

I think getting the #2 pick from SJ is a pipe dream

If we were to trade Rasmus to them, we'd most likely get the Dallas 1st and the SJ 2nd. So basically the 32nd and 33rd pick as a base

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Agreed, that's why I mentioned Stromgren as well acknowledging, that there could be more there, as I was one of Stromgren's biggest critics in his first year in NA.

The projections I've seen of Bystedt have his upside as a middle 6 C in the NHL. I think his top draft comparables were Shmaltz, Coyle, Brandon Sutter, and Lazar, but I could be wrong on that one.

Here's my uneducated projection of what he develops into:

• 1C < 10%
• 2C ~ 25%
• 3C ~ 40%
• 4C/Bust > 25%

Sam Morton would be 100% 4C/bust.