Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

What’s the complaint against WEF? I’ve looked their goals and they seem reasonable.

It's a big thing on the right. They bitch about the WEF, IMF, WHO, etc., because they've spent too much online and have brain rot.

[rubecube]

Lol. From that article...

“We have the oil, we have the resources. We’re fine,” Westernaier said, noting she believed Monday’s election was rigged.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Lol. From that article...

We need a Czar of removing people from the voter pool. "Too dumb, you're out!"

[afc wimbledon]

I'm trying to get my head around the level of stupidity that enables someone to think voting for an independent land locked Alberta makes sense if the thing you are mad about is lack of pipelines to the east, I mean do they think somehow being utterly dependent on the US market will be better than the status quo?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm trying to get my head around the level of stupidity that enables someone to think voting for an independent land locked Alberta makes sense if the thing you are mad about is lack of pipelines to the east, I mean do they think somehow being utterly dependent on the US market will be better than the status quo?

We literally had a poster in this thread wondering aloud if his kids would be better off if Alberta became part of the U.S. I think that answers your question.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm trying to get my head around the level of stupidity that enables someone to think voting for an independent land locked Alberta makes sense if the thing you are mad about is lack of pipelines to the east, I mean do they think somehow being utterly dependent on the US market will be better than the status quo?

Have you considered just how much it would “own the libs” though?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

We literally had a poster in this thread wondering aloud if his kids would be better off if Alberta became part of the U.S. I think that answers your question.

I think better off in the US certainly is an open question. If you are a CIS, White, male with Cis white make kids, and are upper middle class with two oil field incomes you probably are economically better off and the money will be able to paper over a lot of the negatives. But it’s certainly a debate.

Thinking landlocked Alberta makes sense is moronic.

[Huntingwhale]

I posted this elsewhere, but worth posting here again. None of them understand a single thing about how a true separation will work, other than "Libtards bad, get me out of here". They don't understand how landlocked countries get absolutely f'd in the ass in every respect other than the LL EU countries, in which the entire bloc has freedom of movement/trade. Take a look at the list of LL countries on Wikipedia. Other than those EU nations, truly a bastion of prosperity, right?

They have no idea about the history of the aboriginal treaty deals, or that we would lose the national parks such as Banff and Jasper. Not a single understanding about it. If they do hear about this, this only leads to enrage them further, already seen it. "The natives are holding us back!".

They have no idea the tariffs and taxes they will pay being landlocked by an extremely angry and resentful Canadian country that will absolutely demicate them with tariffs/taxes and punishment for this. They have also not taken into account no access to maritime ports in any direction unless transported literally through both surrounding countries that again, will financially take advantage of them. Inflation and high costs of living would be astronomical from the start.

While the Canadian armed forces is nothing to brag about, imagine having to rebuild it from scratch in Alberta. A population of 5 million in a province that size has no sway, oil or not. This province is too busy shoving pork grinds down our throats and looking for the burger of the day deal to have a future generation of soldiers lined up ready to protect their sovereignty and deter any kind of aggression. This isn't Israel surrounded by countries that hate them and want to destroy them, motivating them to train from a early age to fight. I can guarantee literally all AB separatists will expect the Canadians and Americans to play nice, which will make them lazy and apathetic. While I don't imagine that Canada (not sure about US these days) will be aggressive, banking on your neighbors to be like that is a losing battle (see Ukraine).

This doesn't even take into account the decades long court battles that will ensue that will cost billions, only enriching the lawyers and politicians involved. Even if AB does manage to separate somehow, it won't see a full separation until my unborn children start having children.

We don't have a unique culture and language like Quebec does. We have nothing to rally behind other than...liberal hatred? Yes, that's literally it. Unless of course, we're rallying behind...Smith? The idea is so beyond stupid and it's pitiful and frankly pathetic this is even in discussion now. I laugh when I see my friends on socials now posting BS like this. Makes it super easy at my age to cut their toxicity out of my life and leave them behind.

If they want to separate so badly, go back to school and get an in-demand degree in an in-demand industry in one of the Republican states in the US and move there. That's honestly waaaaaayyyy more feasible, cheaper and quicker to pull off, then banking on this AB separatists movement. My former boss did this a few years ago and he is seemingly happy with the results. All this talk has done is to show just how many inbred redneck hicks live in this province and what we act like. So happy this is getting international attention and mockery for the world to see.

[puffnstuff]

The pp by-election in a nutshell.

'Canadians will be paying about a million dollars so a guy who lost his seat, can now run in a province he hasnt lived in for over 25 years, in an election he is basically guaranteed to win, just so he can keep getting paid by us, keep living in a house we pay for as well. All this after 20 years spent by him complaining about government spending'

[Harry Lime]

I wonder if a liberal candidate in that riding could get party approval to run under a campaign of :

I will be a Wolf in sheep's clothing. I will be a conservative running as a liberal. I will champion oil and gas, I will be a loud voice for Albertans.

PP hasn't set foot in this riding, in his entire life. Send me, to be a conservative voice in the already established liberal government, not just an impotent PP, screaming at a wall in opposition.

Would it work?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Lol, PP is not the type to be humbled or to change. He has one mode, attack dog.


I don't understand this thing where people think politicians will be anything other than who they are.

On a larger scale, I think this also applies to the current Conservative party.

We have plenty of people who'd likely never vote Conservative saying what the party has to do and the type of Leader they need in this thread. But in the eyes of the current Conservatives, they likely think their support is very strong with the votes they got in the last election. In their eyes if Carney ends up being something like the Liberals of the last decade, plenty of that support will split up to other parties in the next election. If Carney fails in his mandate, what would the Liberals need to bring in to recapture what Carney just did? It's likely that support for the NDP, Block, and Greens will revert back to previous levels. If it does, they likely think they can win a majority without changing too much, and moving more in the direction they have been.

I don't agree with this, but I think this is how they're thinking. They expect Carney and the Liberals to fail, and if he does there are three parties who performed significantly below where they normally would, and if things normalize that's what they need.

[flamesfever]

Aren't "Separation" and the "Threat of Separation" two different things?

Has the Threat of Separation worked in Quebec's favor?

Wouldn't Separation come with an option to join the US, thereby avoiding a landlocked situation?

What if Carney decides that Climate Change is more important than Canada becoming an Energy Superpower, and decides to cap and phase out our oil and gas industry?

Shouldn't Western Canada have a better deal in Confederation?

If Trump decides to raise tariffs to a point where we become financially unviable as a nation, who will come to our aid?

If Canada is invaded, how will Canada protect itself without the US?

[Harry Lime]

Canada won't ever become financially unviable as a nation. We are too strong, stable with too many resources. It's just that our allies and trading partners would have to change from the US, to Europe, China, India or Russia. There would be a tough 10 years to build the infrastructure.

Canada being invaded is covered by Norad, NAto, and to some extent the commonwealth. Being invaded by the US violates two of those. So invasion from the US is the only threat not already shielded by long standing agreements.

Carney has said that he wants Canada to become an energy superpower, and hasn't said climate takes precedence. I guess we wait and see if his word is worth anything.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Canada being invaded is covered by Norad, NAto, and to some extent the commonwealth. Being invaded by the US violates two of those. So invasion from the US is the only threat not already shielded by long standing agreements.

Carney has said that he wants Canada to become an energy superpower, and hasn't said climate takes precedence. I guess we wait and see if his word is worth anything.

The U.S. is also still broke from Iraq and Afghanistan. They have a massive recruitment issue, only exacerbated by Trump's cuts to the VA. There is zero appetite for war there.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

What’s the complaint against WEF? I’ve looked their goals and they seem reasonable.

Same old story, Jewish cabal that wants to secretly run the world

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

What’s the complaint against WEF? I’ve looked their goals and they seem reasonable.

Same old story, Jewish cabal that wants to secretly run the world. With the usual right wing nut job talking points, they think the WEF wants to assign people jobs within their restricted 15 minutes city zone, and wants to add COVID vaccines to the water supply, that sort of nonsense

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Aren't "Separation" and the "Threat of Separation" two different things?

Has the Threat of Separation worked in Quebec's favor?

Wouldn't Separation come with an option to join the US, thereby avoiding a landlocked situation?

What if Carney decides that Climate Change is more important than Canada becoming an Energy Superpower, and decides to cap and phase out our oil and gas industry?

Shouldn't Western Canada have a better deal in Confederation?

If Trump decides to raise tariffs to a point where we become financially unviable as a nation, who will come to our aid?

If Canada is invaded, how will Canada protect itself without the US?

How about waiting and seeing what his plans are first? This is toddler level ####. It's the same victim narrative that is perpetuated by demanding everything and when you see one thing you may not get, you throw a tantrum. This makes it impossible to negotiate in good faith.


What is "better deal in Confederation"? Every province does whatever Alberta demands? What would your reasonably allow other provinces to do? The claim is Alberta should have a right to develop and export our resources unrestricted, but does, say, BC not have a right to decide what risks it takes on to facilitate exports for Alberta? So Alberta's demands infringe upon the rights of other provinces, and demand the feds facilitate that. And to really hammer that home they try to use blackmail of transfer payments(fully misunderstanding how those work) to try to get their way. All because we happen to have lucked out on petroleum resources. I guess having good fortune means you also fell like you should be able to bully everyone else around.


These people need to grow the #### up.

[StickMan]

What does Canada do for Alberta? Pretty much nothing. Alberta would be better off without the rest of Canada weighing it down.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

What does Canada do for Alberta? Pretty much nothing.

Bought us a pipeline?

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Bought us a pipeline?

You mean put us in debt to build a pipeline that should have been built by private sector and not cost Canadians a dime?