Here’s an idea out of left field. Carney appoints a Calgary Conservative MP to his cabinet, maybe even as natural resources minister. Shows he cares about the West and shuts up Smith.
Edit: I know he would give priority to Alberta LIB MPs but the idea of reaching across the floor is interesting.
Rumor is that newly elected Edmonton MP Kerry Diotte is someone that would be willing to give up his seat so pp could run in the ensuing by-election.
Im sure that Diotte, who was an MP before and is only short of collecting a full pension by a couple of months, is only offering for all the right reaons...
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Don't even know which thread to post this in anymore. It's Freedum, Canadian and Alberta politics as well as hockey and probably a gear grinder as well.
Self-sufficient in what ways? I’d like to see Canada export more gas overseas, but we’re currently setting records for oil and gas exports. This narrative that the rest of Canada is throttling Alberta’s economy is rooted in emotion and frustration, not in facts.
15 years ago, an 18 year old dude with no training or education could walk into a job in the oilpatch and make $80k. This was not a normal state of affairs - the Alberta energy boom was a global anomaly. There were more blue-collar jobs paying high salaries than literally anywhere else on the planet, and it raised unrealistic expectations.
The boom ended (like they all end), and it’s unlikely to ever come back. Oil and gas exploration in Western Canada has wound down because the conventional deposits were all found. Shale oil has flooded the market. The oilsands megaproducts are largely built out. The Canadian O&G industry today is about pumping the stuff to market - which is not especially labour-intensive. Those sweet, sweet jobs in the patch aren’t coming back at mass scale, even if we build another pipeline to tidewater.
What we’re experiencing isn’t Alberta becoming a ####ty place, it’s Alberta becoming a normal place. For people who deluded themselves that the boom would last forever, it feels ####ty. And the populists who say it’s all someone else’s fault deserve much of the blame for that.
Just because you don't understand or aren't knowledgeable about something and look at things out of context, doesn't mean it's rooted in emotion, not facts.
You simply have to look at the facts of where AECO trades relative to gas prices around the world to see that Canada is being held back. Using Canada "setting records" for oil and gas production as some sort of gotcha means nothing without context, especially when it's clear the people using this crutch don't have the slightest understanding about the industry.
When you actually understand the amount resource Canada has and how much of it is being sold at subpar prices or flat out not developed because of reasons that are completely under our control, then you would get angry and frustrated too. And yes, that is supported by facts with actual knowledge and context, not just emotion. Canada shouldn't just be setting internal records for production, that should be a given, we should be (to steal Carney's words) one of the pre-eminent energy superpowers in the world. It's purely Canada itself that's standing in the way of that.
Posts like this just show a fundamental lack of understanding about the industry and how it functions, which is the scariest because it's a clear indication that it's how many on this board (and the country) think, and thinks it's rooted in facts when really it's quite the opposite.
Don't even know which thread to post this in anymore. It's Freedum, Canadian and Alberta politics as well as hockey and probably a gear grinder as well.
I do think this is a Canada thing and not a lets screw the Albertans issue.
15-20 years ago they discovered a swath of mineral deposits up in Northern Ontario - some politician called it the oil sands of Ontario. They still haven't even built a road to it yet and it was coming up in this recent election.
Rumor is that newly elected Edmonton MP Kerry Diotte is someone that would be willing to give up his seat so pp could run in the ensuing by-election.
Im sure that Diotte, who was an MP before and is only short of collecting a full pension by a couple of months, is only offering for all the right reaons...
Would be quite something for Poilievre to parachute into an Edmonton riding where the CPC got less than 50% of the vote.
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Don't even know which thread to post this in anymore. It's Freedum, Canadian and Alberta politics as well as hockey and probably a gear grinder as well.
Rumor is that newly elected Edmonton MP Kerry Diotte is someone that would be willing to give up his seat so pp could run in the ensuing by-election.
Im sure that Diotte, who was an MP before and is only short of collecting a full pension by a couple of months, is only offering for all the right reaons...
All I ask is for folks to not assume that Theo Fleury's comments on social media are an accurate representation of the bulk of CPC voters.
It's fun to post them and make fun, but it's not overly helpful in the overall discussion.
Then again, it's an online forum and he's a former Calgary Flame...so I guess I really shouldn't be surprised it gets posted!
At a certain point CPC voters are going to have to stop saying “these people don’t represent us” and actually confronting those people and their view and letting THEM know they don’t represent you.
The CPC and their voters have been far too happy to court those people for far too long now. Tough to try to distance yourself when those people are being led to believe that distance doesn’t exist.
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I do think this is a Canada thing and not a lets screw the Albertans issue.
15-20 years ago they discovered a swath of mineral deposits up in Northern Ontario - some politician called it the oil sands of Ontario. They still haven't even built a road to it yet and it was coming up in this recent election.
That sounds like a Provincial issue... not a federal issue. The Feds enforce some rules around environmental protections and whatnot but the provinces have jurisdiction over mining.
It is tough when people point fingers at the federal government for provincial issues, like housing. Now that housing was made a federal issue, all of the parties have their plans and will try to roll them out but how much do you want to bet that Alberta will try to fight against the new federal housing plan?
Smith will say things like "give us the money and we'll do what we want with it" and then pocket the money and build zero houses so they can blame the feds for the failure. Wasn't just a couple of years ago when the feds tried to work directly with the cities to build affordable housing in Calgary and Edmonton and Smith stepped in to block it?
At a certain point CPC voters are going to have to stop saying “these people don’t represent us” and actually confronting those people and their view and letting THEM know they don’t represent you.
The CPC and their voters have been far too happy to court those people for far too long now. Tough to try to distance yourself when those people are being led to believe that distance doesn’t exist.
It's a fair point. I'm not on social media so I can't do it there. But I tend to agree with you.
That sounds like a Provincial issue... not a federal issue. The Feds enforce some rules around environmental protections and whatnot but the provinces have jurisdiction over mining.
It is tough when people point fingers at the federal government for provincial issues, like housing. Now that housing was made a federal issue, all of the parties have their plans and will try to roll them out but how much do you want to bet that Alberta will try to fight against the new federal housing plan?
Smith will say things like "give us the money and we'll do what we want with it" and then pocket the money and build zero houses so they can blame the feds for the failure. Wasn't just a couple of years ago when the feds tried to work directly with the cities to build affordable housing in Calgary and Edmonton and Smith stepped in to block it?
I've heard MHCare is creating a home-building division.
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