Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

That didn’t take long.

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2025/04...ration-canada/

Road trip to Medicine Hat to help some people gather some signatures?

[FacePaint]

Referendum for Smith to step down as Premier?

[Muta]

Why doesn't Marlaina just move to the US already and find a way to be a MAGA Republican? She's bootlicked enough that some right-wing chud like Desantis or Abbott will take her in. It'll be a lot quicker and easier for her to do that than to virtue signal and drag Alberta with her into this charade - which the majority of people in this province don't want anyways.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Muta

Why doesn't Marlaina just move to the US already and find a way to be a MAGA Republican? She's bootlicked enough that some right-wing chud like Desantis or Abbott will take her in. It'll be a lot quicker and easier for her to do that than to virtue signal and drag Alberta with her into this charade - which the majority of people in this province don't want anyways.

Like a lot of affluent, right-wing Albertans I have no doubt she has a nice place in Arizona or Palm Desert already picked out. That’s why you can’t trust them to champion the long-term interests of the province - they don’t plan on being here for the long haul.

[direwolf]

Hands down the most embarrassing government in Alberta history. Absolutely shameful, and beyond stupid.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1917193046820610157

Let’s work together.

Marlaina. Nope. Let’s fight. Let’s change laws so we can separate.

[Ped]

Doug Ford has a lot - and I mean a LOT - of issues, but he's always been more than willing to work with the federal government and provincial counterparts.

[direwolf]

Smith’s whole schtick is being an annoying, antagonistic twat, so nothing about this is surprising, especially with the Liberals winning another election.

No doubt that Carney will extend an olive branch and try to work with her, because he wants to govern for all Canadians. Whether she accepts it is another story. It would be nice if stopped acting like a reprehensible sack of s*** for once, but she obviously can’t help herself. I hate what she and the UCP has done to my once beloved home province. It’s a f***ing disgrace.

[5abi]

This forum really makes me curious, I work for a major oil and gas company and I’ll se 90% of the white workers want to separate.

Yet this forum says otherwise.

For me personally, I think there is a better negotiation to be had with Ottawa

[puffnstuff]

I talk with a guy like that, he jokes about Alberta seperating. But when I asked him what that really looks like it all fell apart for him. All the details, when he doesnt want to join the States, become very problematic. Think the rest of Canada would allow oil through without a heavy toll? If at all. If you cant export where does the money come from to run Albertastan?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Like a lot of affluent, right-wing Albertans I have no doubt she has a nice place in Arizona or Palm Desert already picked out. That’s why you can’t trust them to champion the long-term interests of the province - they don’t plan on being here for the long haul.

Everything she says is stacking the deck for her next career stop: right wing grifter.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by 5abi

This forum really makes me curious, I work for a major oil and gas company and I’ll se 90% of the white workers want to separate.

Yet this forum says otherwise.

For me personally, I think there is a better negotiation to be had with Ottawa

That's just normal hoorah O&G talk lol. It's like the same as standing in an elevator asking about the weather.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by 5abi

This forum really makes me curious, I work for a major oil and gas company and I’ll se 90% of the white workers want to separate.

Yet this forum says otherwise.

For me personally, I think there is a better negotiation to be had with Ottawa

I don’t think I can properly explain how pathetic I find it that some people want to separate from Canada because their preferred political party didn’t win an election. It’s just so ridiculous. As if the Conservatives winning was some incredible panacea and they were going to fix everything. Gimme a break.

And there are a few considerations about separation. First, the numbers are extremely low. It’s more like 1/10 people who would entertain this seriously. Then, you have a division there. Some people want pure independence. Some want to join the US. And, no big deal, but you have this kind of negotiation taking place within a group of people who want to take their ball and go home, because they didn’t get their way. Good luck with that.

And let’s say that the decision is made and somehow a referendum is won. The National Parks and Treaties predate Alberta. So now you get to have a fight about what piece of land is actually seceding. I’m sure that when that gets acrimonious and spiteful that the surrounding countries are definitely building pipelines across their territories for you!

The entire thing is so preposterous and ridiculous. It’s purely to distract from the AHS scandal on the part of the UCP. For the “others” it’s just myopic and misguided.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Slava

And let’s say that the decision is made and somehow a referendum is won. The National Parks and Treaties predate Alberta. So now you get to have a fight about what piece of land is actually seceding. I’m sure that when that gets acrimonious and spiteful that the surrounding countries are definitely building pipelines across their territories for you!

Yeah there is zero chance Alberta walks away with the national parks. There are also issues like establishing a currency, replacing the billions of dollars they receive in federal transfers each year, setting up their own immigration/border agencies, and the big one: figuring out how they get those precious resources to market.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the vast majority of energy exports destined for the US pass through other Canadian provinces first. Do they think those provinces, which will then be an entirely different country, will just allow that to happen without some significant benefit coming their way?

Basically, anyone who seriously thinks Alberta should separate either hasn’t thought about it AT ALL or worse: has thought about it, which makes them a complete idiot.

AlsoI find the idea of people who want to separate but DONT want to join the US being held up as this more reasonable idea is kind of hilarious. That is, objectively, the worst possible path they could take.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So I guess the strategy is to just wait it out until the Canadian electorate is so sick of term after term after term of the Liberals that they’ll vote for any viable alternative. Which seems like more of a hope than a plan.

The strategy is kind of bizarre because you have a couple of different options and none of them are really good.

Option 1:

Find some common ground with the Bloc to trigger another election in the next 6-12 months.

The problem with that is if Trump is still being Trump, voters might punish the CPC for triggering an election during a crisis.

Option 2:

Wait out the next 4 years and hope that Carney is a flop

The risk there is obvious. Carney could exceed expectations and leave voters less hungry for change. We might have a resurgent NDP by then, which could peel off some of the LPC's votes, but probably not enough to put the CPC in power.

Additionally, voters got to know PP during this cycle and they clearly don't like him. Unless he's planning to change his tactics over the next 4 years, it's hard to see how voters won't be totally sick of his act by then.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by belsarius

oooo I know this one!

Carney is very much against the way society currently interacts with the market. He sees the values of the market as overriding the values of people, and how we have become too beholden to monetary prices over actual values. This to me is in direct opposition to the Neoliberal movement of the last 40 years. Many of todays problems, he sees as a result of this over acceptance and overreliance on "the market" as a solution to our woes.

He sees climate change as being the biggest threat to humanity. He feels that we are treading on dangerous ground of today's generation leaving not just the costs of debt, but the costs of our planet. Our consumption of fossil fuels have a cost higher than a carbon tax, but since we are not the ones to bear that cost (our grandchildren will), we are disincentivized to do anything about it.

To combat a threat like this, Carney sees government intervention as a necessity to the market. The government should make up the values of the people, and using those values, guide the market to do our bidding, not do the bidding of the market to increase it's value. The private market has flexibility and agility that governments do not, but they work purely for the profit and value of capital.

He is very much for the way Covid was handled. How people's values of life were tantamount to the pure mathematical reasoning that the market would have placed on it. We, in that moment, sacrificed the economic values for the moral ones to keep people safe.

Neoliberal thought basically said, we can speed up this car if we remove the brakes and the steering wheel.. and the faster the car goes the better. Without thinking of the passengers. Carney's focus is on the passengers and how can we design the car to best suit them. Driving a car is faster than walking (the free market is better than a centralized economy), but it must be tethered and designed to suit out needs.. not just strap us in for the ride.

I probably rambled too much there. But I don't think he is your standard "elitist banker", and the Libertarians on the right should be worried, because he may want to balance the (operational) budget, but he not the man to step aside and let the market reign. At least that's what I've gathered from reading his book and listening to his lectures long before he was part of the government.

The one thing I would say separates him from the typical interventionist is the belief that the capitalist market can be bent to serve society. Essentially he’s for a well regulated capitalism to solve the world’s problems rather than direct government intervention. I really hope he is given freedom to implement his vision.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by woob

And yet he made headway in many Ontario ridings, ousting the NDP in some of them. 13 of 17 last I heard.

I still think he needs to go.

I think this improvement among blue collar workers and immigrant communities in Ontario which used to be NDP groups is the biggest threat to the viability of the NDP.

Young men going right to solve their problems because they feel the left rejected them wasn’t the story of this election but it could have been.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Ped

Doug Ford has a lot - and I mean a LOT - of issues, but he's always been more than willing to work with the federal government and provincial counterparts.

kind of has to in Ontario, you aren't getting elected there otherwise

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Ped

Doug Ford has a lot - and I mean a LOT - of issues, but he's always been more than willing to work with the federal government and provincial counterparts.

He doing it to eventually get the auto industry bailed out/subsidized.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CFO

He doing it to eventually get the auto industry bailed out/subsidized.

…He’s been the Premier since 2018 and never wavered on working with the feds.