Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Congrats to Johnny Makarov. Spent like 2+ years trolling CPC voters, while most of them were licking their chops to throw it all back in his face tonight.

Dude gets to take a couple of extra victory laps.

I mean it's great for Canada!

and seriously there is NO WAY people in Ontario were going to vote for a freedumb mother trucker. No matter what facebook says!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I mean it's great for Canada!

and seriously there is NO WAY people in Ontario were going to vote for a freedumb mother trucker. No matter what facebook says!

Really happy to have taken you off ignore. It’s been an entertaining few months, and I’m sorry for not appreciating your insanity sooner.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Looch City

This is all talk no action, anyone wanna enter a group bet?

The bet: Pierre Poilievre will not be Prime Minister.

Losers pay $50 to a charity that we agree upon. And show your receipts!

Dammit I should have made that bet way back then hahah would have made some real dough!

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Muta

I have no kids and have private dental coverage, but I'm fine with cheap daycare and dental. An incredibly huge number of Canadians benefit from these polices, even if I don't. Some of us actually care about our fellow Canadians, including the ones we don't even know.

This is the way. Nobody should have to grow up without proper dental care just because I did. We should also have a national school food program to feed kids.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I mean it's great for Canada!

and seriously there is NO WAY people in Ontario were going to vote for a freedumb mother trucker. No matter what facebook says!

Conservatives overperforming in Toronto....

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I mean it's great for Canada!

and seriously there is NO WAY people in Ontario were going to vote for a freedumb mother trucker. No matter what facebook says!

Great for Canada? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You’re hilarious.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Great for Canada? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You’re hilarious.

Remember to get up early for your freedumb convoy shift at the PetroCan! lol

[afc wimbledon]

I never realized Carney's wife was British so I looked her up, turns out she's better qualified to be PM than Poilievre!!

[rubecube]

Lolololol

https://twitter.com/user/status/1917058492109930909

[#-3]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

In the case of Harper, isn't it mostly the case that the cons just continued with cuts from the prior Liberals governments? Chertien made huge cuts in order to balance the budget. That is specifically what he campaigned on. Liberal cuts and balanced budget = good but if the Cons continue that trend it is bad.

It's not that we think it's liberals good cuts, conservatives bad cuts. First we are more nuanced than that, we are going to ask what are they cutting, and at what cost before we make a value judgement good/bad.

But also we aren't arguing this on our terms, we are arguing it on your terms, because we are making a good faith effort to engage. You say you like the conservatives because they are 'better' for the economy, there are many measures where that is measurably falsifiable. So we point out that your justifications for liking the conservatives should be on pretty shacking ground, if that is the reason you like them.

When we point out metric by which we disagree with your assertion that the conservatives are better for the economy. Don't call us delusional, explain to us why we are mis-interpreting that data, or I will go on being delusional about how I am interpreting the data, and you will not have pointed out my error, this could be frustrating for, because I will probably counter with and alternative view of the data, but I assure you I am willing to change my mind, if you can build a good argument.

Don't attack us for being fiscal hawks about your party, we are holding them to the standards you set. You set the standard, at least show some concern that the people you support aren't living up to them. If you care about the economy, care about the evidence we bring that your party does not seem to show the economy the level of attention you demand, if not stop using it as a cudgel for why you support them.

[GioforPM]

Part of Poilievre’s cope speech was that they got enough seats to prevent a Liberal NDP coalition. That doesn’t look like it’s true any more.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Part of Poilievre’s cope speech was that they got enough seats to prevent a Liberal NDP coalition. That doesn’t look like it’s true any more.

Hey, now, he could technically be right if the Libs do end up finishing with a majority.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Part of Poilievre’s cope speech was that they got enough seats to prevent a Liberal NDP coalition. That doesn’t look like it’s true any more.

That was odd because it wasn't even true when he said it

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Dan02

That was odd because it wasn't even true when he said it

That would be very on brand then.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I'm not a weird deficit-pervert, so I don't really care who racks up a deficit as long as our debt-servicing costs remain reasonable. I'd rather have robust social services than a pretty number on a balance sheet.

Should we go back through all of the cuts Harper made to get to that number? That was the whole point of my post.

Cons make cuts, which forces the Liberals/NDP to increase spending to reverse the damages caused by Cons. Then the Cons turn around and yell that they're spending too much.

You realize adding more debt makes the debt servicing more expensive? And then as individuals we pay more in taxes to cover that debt?

But don't worry, the Liberals are also really efficient at spending our tax dollars. Actually, all governments are very inefficient with how our tax dollars get spent and not just the Libs. They just happen to be extra good at it. 10 Billion in Consultants? Sure. Good idea. Government run affordability housing infrastructure program? What could go wrong? They did such a great job running Trans-Mountain (sadly no private group was going to do it because of all the insane regulatory hurdles now in place to get a development done).

Pretty numbers on a balance sheet......

All that being said, a lot of people are commenting how bright Mark Carney is.

I'll give him a chance to make positive changes and actually be fiscally responsible, given that he's an economist and has some business background, and being from Alberta makes me think maybe we wont xompletely sewer Oil & Gas which pays for the lion's share of our increasingly high debt service.

I would bet we will see more of the same from the Liberals, but I hope that's not the case.

[indes]

Liberals are like the Dems and completely losing the social media battle. They need to up their game next time, I'm afraid the increase in seats means the CPC probably trends further right instead of back to the center. I think a liberal majority would've been better for the country going forward.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by indes

Liberals are like the Dems and completely losing the social media battle. They need to up their game next time, I'm afraid the increase in seats means the CPC probably trends further right instead of back to the center. I think a liberal majority would've been better for the country going forward.

Social media will always benefit the party more willing to take complex issues and try to explain them in three sentence phrases that are not even accurate or intellectually honest.

I think winning the social media battle requires a deliberate abandonment of integrity

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1917043606973772015

[Looch City]

Mmm yes, the traitors are rearing their heads!

And with no shame about it lol. And then they scream "unity".

[MacDaddy77]

So either right back where we were with a Liberal/NDP government or a liberal majority.

Was hoping for a liberal minority with conservatives holding enough seats they might actually work together to make the right policies and bring both parties more to the centre.

My fear is The worst thing happened and it’s going to be 4 years of leftist policy and just bitching and complaining from conservatives.

Maybe SW Ontario voting conservative will be enough to bring them to the centre more but probably not