Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Maybe Fuzz is like me, I don't know.

But i could actually see Carney fitting in with the old (and sadly dead) PC Party.

I would have voted for him if he was a PC.

The CPC is not the PC party.

It today’s political landscape was that of 10 years ago, Carney would be running for the conservatives and would win easily.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yes, an Alberta Public Agency. Operates separate from the government but linked to a particular ministry.

So your employer wasn’t federally regulated and therefore their vaccination policy was a result of provincial legislation?

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Seems like a prevailing Liberal sentiment in this thread which surprises me with most of us I assume in Alberta. I am a lifelong conservative voter, but voted for Liberal for the first time in my life today. Carney does seem extremely qualified and I think for the first time we have a liberal leader who can captures more of the economic conservative, slightly right leaning individuals like myself. I am definitely fiscally conservative, but I do appreciate that social programs have their purpose and benefit, and Carney seems like a great candidate to capture those more centred viewpoints like myself. Before Trudeau resigned, that wouldn't have been possible.

I voted for the first time in Turner Valley since we moved there last year. Based on the amount of cowboy boots and plaid shirts in the voting line, I do think my vote likely won't mean much... haha. Maybe I'm stereotyping too hard. It will be interesting to see how the vote split goes, especially in Alberta IMO.

Rasta-masta lives in Turner Valley? Why am I thinking of Snoop Dogg in Texas?

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by FlameFan21

I'm predicting a Conservative Minority government... Both 338 Canada and CBC are projecting a Liberal majority with 65% and 70% probability respectively, but I don't trust the polls... Not after 2016 in the US. If partisan fanaticism on social media equates to turnout, the CPC base is highly energized. I just have a bad feeling...

If this current iteration of the Tories are not who you want to form government, I implore you to go out and vote if haven't already. Please. Calgary Centre, Confederation, Skyview, and possibly Crowfoot and Nose Hill are all in play. Calgary McKnight is considered a "likely" LPC seat according to 338, but please vote anyway if this is your riding. Nothing should be left to chance.

And again, please thank the election workers on the way out. To help brighten their long day if nothing else.

Bots don't vote.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

To be accurate here, they were shown to be less effective at blocking infection(not ineffective) but still offered protection against the severity of the disease. People vaccinated with boosters after that typically experienced less severe symptoms, including in vulnerable groups, and that's still true today.

Not effective enough to meet the court threshold though, which is all that matters at the end of the day. From a legal perspective anyways.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Sure you would have .

I’m sure you wouldn’t have called him a capitalist banker who left Canada and only cares about profit , that he’s removing carbon tax to destroy the environment , and talking about cutting services to the lower class so the rich can have tax breaks .

You totally would have voted CPC. 100%

Your own biases are at play here.

I've voted for Conservatives in the past, but no, never the CPC because they've never had a leader with the principles I see as important. O'Toole was the closest since the Reform Party was formed. Why is it so hard to believe people can vote for other parties? I've voted Conservative federally and provincially, Greens here and there, Liberals, NDP. Is it because you only see one colour as valid?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Your own biases are at play here.

I've voted for Conservatives in the past, but no, never the CPC because they've never had a leader with the principles I see as important. O'Toole was the closest since the Reform Party was formed. Why is it so hard to believe people can vote for other parties? I've voted Conservative federally and provincially, Greens here and there, Liberals, NDP. Is it because you only see one colour as valid?

I think O'Toole, if allowed, could have taken the party in the correct direction (to the centre).

But sadly that didn't occur.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Not effective enough to meet the court threshold though, which is all that matters at the end of the day. From a legal perspective anyways.

OK, but not effective enough is different than saying "when the vaccines were shown to be ineffective against the later variants."

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

I don't know, politicians are politicians because they're politicians? Not sure why years of being re-elected are suddenly a detriment. An experienced politician can probably have a better go at it compared to someone from another profession?

A Doctor may have a fantastic education and is successful in what they do, but probably wouldn't be as good at lawyering?

Think about what you are saying here. Do you choose the smart guy or the dumb guy? It is as simple as that. I would pick the doctor to represent me in a murder trial 100 times out of 100 compared to a dumb guy. Why? Because he is smart!

PP is experienced at being a backbench, do what you are told and vote when we tell you to, politician. No laws. No Policies. No advocating for any platform.

Wow. Just ####ing wow.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Can you remind me which party took a $13.8B surplus and turned it into a $25.9B deficit?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the Liberals.

Fack, I still don't know how to embed images easily.

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/government-debt

The trend is not a favorable one for the Liberals.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by simmer2

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errrrrrrr

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I think O'Toole, if allowed, could have taken the party in the correct direction (to the centre).

But sadly that didn't occur.

Nah, we saw what happened when he got panicked by the social cons in the party. He couldn't manage the dysfunction, and paid the price for that inability. I was strongly considering him as an option before that moment. In fairness though, I don't know that anyone can lead that big tent anywhere. It needs to be burned to ashes to clean out the trash. Like, this is a party that still has Leslyn Lewis in it.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Your own biases are at play here.

I've voted for Conservatives in the past, but no, never the CPC because they've never had a leader with the principles I see as important. O'Toole was the closest since the Reform Party was formed. Why is it so hard to believe people can vote for other parties? I've voted Conservative federally and provincially, Greens here and there, Liberals, NDP. Is it because you only see one colour as valid?

It’s just awkward projection as blind partisans struggle to imagine anyone praising someone that isn’t on their side of the aisle or whose signs aren’t the colour they like.

I’ve previously dished out some heavy praise for both O’Toole and PP and there was a time where I would have voted for either (happy to pull the quotes for anyone who thinks otherwise). Both lost my vote. There was also a time where I never would have voted in support of someone like Carney, but he earned my vote. That’s the way this is all supposed to work.

If PP loses then beware, as I may have the kiss of death for Conservative leaders.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Think about what you are saying here. Do you choose the smart guy or the dumb guy? It is as simple as that. I would pick the doctor to represent me in a murder trial 100 times out of 100 compared to a dumb guy. Why? Because he is smart!

PP is experienced at being a backbench, do what you are told and vote when we tell you to, politician. No laws. No Policies. No advocating for any platform.

Wow. Just ####ing wow.

How did you justify voting in Justin Trudeau then?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by simmer2

How did you justify voting in Justin Trudeau then?

Why didn’t you vote for Trudeau?

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by simmer2

How did you justify voting in Justin Trudeau then?

So essentially " I know you are but what am I"

If you get to vote at an elementary school that may work better than it does here

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Nah, we saw what happened when he got panicked by the social cons in the party. He couldn't manage the dysfunction, and paid the price for that inability. I was strongly considering him as an option before that moment. In fairness though, I don't know that anyone can lead that big tent anywhere. It needs to be burned to ashes to clean out the trash. Like, this is a party that still has Leslyn Lewis in it.

Andrew Lawton, Melissa Lantsman, Collin Carrie, Candice Bergen, Jenni Byrne, Michael Cooper, Jivrani...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by simmer2

Fack, I still don't know how to embed images easily.

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/government-debt

The trend is not a favorable one for the Liberals.

Okay, but just saying "Liberals are bad at this" /= "Conservatives will be better at this."

Using your own logic, you should actually be voting NDP, as they're the only party who hasn't demonstrated corruption and economic futility at the federal level.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How is this not right out of Trumps playbook lol.

He makes it sound like we are the US with the crime, or drugs. Defund the CBC he might as well talk about suing them as well and taking their broadcast licence.

ftfy

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by aaronck

So essentially " I know you are but what am I"

If you get to vote at an elementary school that may work better than it does here

Yeah, I forgot to add this to my previous post:

Originally Posted by rubecube

Isn't that essentially the life of being a conservative at this point? This is pretty much the ethos of modern conservatism:

- When asked to define and defend conservative policies, resort to deflections and whataboutisms.