Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

The only reason I wouldn't mind an unlikely CPC majority is seeing Pierre vs Trump and a genuine change in govt (which is reasonable after a decade regardless of how good or bad it was).

If Pierre is PM and flops hard, then LPC supermajority in 2029 or sooner.

Change for the sake of change is dumb, if you're going from something good to something bad. It's just PP's most recent slogan because the other ones weren't working.

In what other area would you say, "hmm... this has been going well for awhile. Time to change things up?"

Also, if the PM flops hard, we all suffer.

[Slava]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1916834895197818987

And here I’ve already voted and didn’t even think of how to complete a write-in.

[Geraldsh]

Sorry Trump, we need all our steel,aluminum, and lumber to build a wall.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

The cons were in my neighbourhood this afternoon. I wasn’t planning on opening the door at first but the thought, screw it, make them toss their pamphlet in their own recycle bin not mine.

I opened my door as, possibly the candidate and a handler, were approaching and got to the first step:

“We’ve already voted”
He said “Oh great, and can we assume you voted of us!?!?” all cheery and expecting me to say yes.
“NOPE! <they turned around quickly> Not a chance.” Closed door.

That’s pretty bad ass man. Hopefully you poured a scotch into a dirty glass after that one.

[Engine09]

A dopey friend of mine starts text bombing me last night, his version of last minute campaigning I guess, going off about how Mark Carney is going to destroy the oil industry and he's crooked, etc.

He then proceeds to send me obviously fake images of Carney with Jeffery Epstein in a pool and on the beach, images that he considers proof. After yelling at him for a bit he finally admits that a couple of those "might" be fake but his point stands. I can't deal with this stupidity.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Alpha_Q

At some point we are going to have to make a new trade agreement with the United States. I can easily envision a scenario where Trump puts pressure on our new Prime Minister to match current American values in order to secure that agreement. I believe Mr. Poilievre will very easily cave in to Trump's demands in order to secure a trade deal, whether those demands be economic or social. Mr. Poilievre has already shown support to the anti-science/anti-vaccination crowd and has supported Danielle Smith's implementation of policies that put members of the LGBTQ community at risk. Mr. Carney, on the other hand, has said and done all the right things in terms of dealing with Trump. So, yes, this probably is the most important Canadian election ever.

We still have checks and balances and we don’t have cronies 100% abiding to party lines across provincial and federal levels. We aren’t remotely close to losing all that, at this point. Especially not to Poilievre. He’d just get ousted.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

We still have checks and balances and we don’t have cronies 100% abiding to party lines across provincial and federal levels. We aren’t remotely close to losing all that, at this point. Especially not to Poilievre. He’d just get ousted.

The US wasn’t either. Took about a week.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

We still have checks and balances and we don’t have cronies 100% abiding to party lines across provincial and federal levels. We aren’t remotely close to losing all that, at this point. Especially not to Poilievre. He’d just get ousted.

It's a good thing the CPC put directly in their platform that they plan on pulling all those checks and balances under parliament so they can toe the line.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The US wasn’t either. Took about a week.

It didn’t though… he’s been chipping away at it for a decade. He didn’t hold the cards last time.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Engine09

A dopey friend of mine starts text bombing me last night, his version of last minute campaigning I guess, going off about how Mark Carney is going to destroy the oil industry and he's crooked, etc.

He then proceeds to send me obviously fake images of Carney with Jeffery Epstein in a pool and on the beach, images that he considers proof. After yelling at him for a bit he finally admits that a couple of those "might" be fake but his point stands. I can't deal with this stupidity.

I cut those #######s out of my life.

That doesn't mean I don't have friends with differing political views. But those friends respect mine and I respect theirs, because we share then in a non-confrontational and factual manner. I will be honest it has been hard at times, but I've had some frank discussions with those that remain friends.

The #######s like you describe get ignored and cut out of my life.

Fcuk them.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Engine09

A dopey friend of mine starts text bombing me last night, his version of last minute campaigning I guess, going off about how Mark Carney is going to destroy the oil industry and he's crooked, etc.

He then proceeds to send me obviously fake images of Carney with Jeffery Epstein in a pool and on the beach, images that he considers proof. After yelling at him for a bit he finally admits that a couple of those "might" be fake but his point stands. I can't deal with this stupidity.

Make him your ex friend.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It didn’t though… he’s been chipping away at it for a decade. He didn’t hold the cards last time.

Less cards are required up here.

I get what you’re saying, and I mean absolutely no offence by this, but I think it’s a bit naive.

[Winsor_Pilates]

The fake news and Ai images has become a big factor for me this election.
We simply can't go down a path where those are accepted and commonplace; especially as Ai gets better.
I fear we're in for a future where truth is impossible to determine.
The bad actors behind these things are more concerning to me than the politicians themselves.

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Change for the sake of change is dumb, if you're going from something good to something bad. It's just PP's most recent slogan because the other ones weren't working.

In what other area would you say, "hmm... this has been going well for awhile. Time to change things up?"

Also, if the PM flops hard, we all suffer.

I would have to disagree. It's not just for the sake of change, I can't personally give the Liberals a vote of confidence after 3 terms. Some decisions made affected me directly, others didn't but made me facepalm. I'm not saying a Conservative government does much better, but I think they deserve a chance, if nothing else they are generally more fiscally responsible at least.

Trudeau wasn't popular so they bumped him out, airdropped a bureaucrat who is not a politician (a good thing, for some reason) and all of a sudden the whole country loves him? All because of Trump threats (that don't go away with Carney or Pierre tbh). Liberal leadership is softball and appeared rather scripted from the beginning.

And perhaps I'm not as scared of Pierre Poilievre, I don't only see the ads I see interviews/conversations and he doesn't come across as the boogey man or second coming of Trump. I do recall him holding people accountable, go all the way back to the We Scandal which gave Bill Morneau the boot.

Mark Carney, on the other hand scares me just a little bit. I read (listened) to his book 'Values' from 2021 and some parts feel dystopian to me on how he views a better future and how we get there. But that's simply my point of view.

And yes there are slogans, political parties/campaigns like or not are a brand, what brand operates without a slogan? They all have them, some reasons the Conservatives get called out for it.

What I foresee today, Liberal Minority, with a record breaking popular vote for the Conservatives. That will highlight how polarized this country is, if anything it also shows how similar to the Americans we are getting (one party right / one party left with a wide gap in the middle). Multi-party opposition becoming obsolete.

Believe you me though, I have very little hope for either of them. Whomever has the burden of running this country through the next couple of years is going to have a rough go at it with dismal approval ratings.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

I would have to disagree. It's not just for the sake of change, I can't personally give the Liberals a vote of confidence after 3 terms. Some decisions made affected me directly, others didn't but made me facepalm. I'm not saying a Conservative government does much better, but I think they deserve a chance, if nothing else they are generally more fiscally responsible at least.

Trudeau wasn't popular so they bumped him out, airdropped a bureaucrat who is not a politician (a good thing, for some reason) and all of a sudden the whole country loves him? All because of Trump threats (that don't go away with Carney or Pierre tbh). Liberal leadership is softball and appeared rather scripted from the beginning.

And perhaps I'm not as scared of Pierre Poilievre, I don't only see the ads I see interviews/conversations and he doesn't come across as the boogey man or second coming of Trump. I do recall him holding people accountable, go all the way back to the We Scandal which gave Bill Morneau the boot.

Mark Carney, on the other hand scares me just a little bit. I read (listened) to his book 'Values' from 2021 and some parts feel dystopian to me on how he views a better future and how we get there. But that's simply my point of view.

And yes there are slogans, political parties/campaigns like or not are a brand, what brand operates without a slogan? They all have them, some reasons the Conservatives get called out for it.

What I foresee today, Liberal Minority, with a record breaking popular vote for the Conservatives. That will highlight how polarized this country is, if anything it also shows how similar to the Americans we are getting (one party right / one party left with a wide gap in the middle). Multi-party opposition becoming obsolete.

Believe you me though, I have very little hope for either of them. Whomever has the burden of running this country through the next couple of years is going to have a rough go at it with dismal approval ratings.

Citation desperately needed.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

What I foresee today, Liberal Minority, with a record breaking popular vote for the Conservatives. That will highlight how polarized this country is, if anything it also shows how similar to the Americans we are getting (one party right / one party left with a wide gap in the middle). Multi-party opposition becoming obsolete.
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I think it could highlight how out of touch the CPC is with the type of Conservatism Canadians want.

Ontario, the biggest voting block just elected a Conservative government.

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Slava

https://twitter.com/user/status/1916834895197818987

And here I’ve already voted and didn’t even think of how to complete a write-in.

Russian / Chinese election interference a 'known thing'. Who'd ever thought not so long ago that we would have American election interference.

Remember how close that bullet was?

3.5 more years of this.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

And perhaps I'm not as scared of Pierre Poilievre, I don't only see the ads I see interviews/conversations and he doesn't come across as the boogey man or second coming of Trump.

Talk to us about the Freedom Convoy.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Less cards are required up here.

I get what you’re saying, and I mean absolutely no offence by this, but I think it’s a bit naive.

I think the risk is there either way, given how things are going. And most people I know are taking it seriously. I don’t think this single election is do or die.

[Vinny01]

I have prepared myself for either outcome. I voted a couple of weeks ago as I have never really been a swing voter and with Trudeau stepping down it made my decision to stay with the Liberals an easy one. My vote means little as I live in the Shepard riding and it is just waves of blue all around the neighborhood but I am still proud of exercising my right which admittedly would have been hard to do if Trudeau decided to give it one last run.

If the Conservatives win we will at least hear less whining here locally and I think it puts a lot more accountability on the UCP who are able to blame everything on Ottawa and large portions of her rurally isolated, and uneducated base will drink down that Kool-aid as fact. I also do not believe PP to be a strong leader and he is only effective in being the “attack dog” to throw out slogans and copy some of the rhetoric that has made the MAGA movement so strong in the US and has almost ruined his entire campaign since Trump out Canada in his crosshairs.

If the Liberals win I will be happy as that is the party of choice for me and I feel Carney is more qualified and with his various experience in the private sector I feel he is better to deal with Trump who is far from a traditional politician. The worst thing about a Carney win is how the idiots in this province will start to beat the drum loudly we either need to separate altogether or join the US which is going to be embarrassing on a national/international stage.

Yesterday driving home from the grocery store I saw a guy in a $85,000 truck with his stupid Oilers decal on one side and a fresh ##### Carney on the other side. Almost a guarantee that guy is from rural Alberta originally. The Liberals have made his life so bad that he feels the need to make his personality be about his political beliefs.