American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's probably only a matter of time for Proud Boys and other extremist groups to take advantage of this by becoming "volunteer" ICE agents and start kidnapping people.

Most likely they already have a lot of ICE badges.

[Fuzz]

https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3lnsej2u4ws2j


Video at link.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://bsky.app/profile/bnonews.com/post/3lnsej2u4ws2j


Video at link.

This raid doesn’t sound that unreasonable.

The important part will be whether or not people detained get due process.

[puffnstuff]

They will not

[Wastedyouth]

Apparently Stephen Miller has a 1million deported target for this year.

Craziness.

Peewee Hitler is the worst of the worst there.

[activeStick]

The US is so ####ed. They're just broadening the targets now to other non-white groups that aren't Chinese. Jeff Sessions launched the China Initiative under Trump's first term which targeted people of Chinese origin, including prominent professors and scientists which actually were contributing to advancements in the US in science and technology, which is sorely needed. There was a recent one erased in March.

https://arstechnica.com/security/202...rsity-website/

A prominent computer scientist who has spent 20 years publishing academic papers on cryptography, privacy, and cybersecurity has gone incommunicado, had his professor profile, email account, and phone number removed by his employer, Indiana University, and had his homes raided by the FBI. No one knows why.

Xiaofeng Wang has a long list of prestigious titles. He was the associate dean for research at Indiana University's Luddy School of Informatics, Computing and Engineering, a fellow at the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and a tenured professor at Indiana University at Bloomington. According to his employer, he has served as principal investigator on research projects totaling nearly $23 million over his 21 years there.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GGG

This raid doesn’t sound that unreasonable.

The important part will be whether or not people detained get due process.

Let's also apply some basic logic here:

If the arrested people didn't have "documentation" with them, how do the feds even know they are actually immigrants? They are, at best, suspected immigrants, and innocent until proven guilty etc. Is there going to be a proper process identifying who's actually an immigrant?

Will those arrested with no actual reason be compensated for the fact they they were arrested based in their ethnicity?

Let's also remember that American police extremely routinely lie to the press (and in courts), so you absolutely can not take their word for what actually happened. They have already been reported to arrest people of a "wrong skin color even if they do have their ID with them. So there's very little reason to even take their word on the "undocumented" part.

So to reiterate: it's not a crime to not have your ID, aka "be undocumented". If they do have ID, they are by definition not undocumented. If they don't have ID, there is no way to immediately know if the person arrested is an immigrant.

So what happened was they raided a night club and arrested a hundred people, presumably mostly based on skin color, and told the press they arrested "a hundred undocumented immigrants".


One of the most common tricks of authoritarians is to just say everyone they arrested, harassed, interrogated etc. was a member of some group people kind of agree can be treated that way. You need to remember that just because "the feds'say something doesn't mean it's true.

It's the same way every air strike only kills "terrorists" if you ask the people who did the bombing.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The US is so ####ed. They're just broadening the targets now to other non-white groups that aren't Chinese. Jeff Sessions launched the China Initiative under Trump's first term which targeted people of Chinese origin, including prominent professors and scientists which actually were contributing to advancements in the US in science and technology, which is sorely needed. There was a recent one erased in March.

https://arstechnica.com/security/202...rsity-website/

This is one of the few things that looks like Germany AFTER world war II, Canada needs to get in there and scoop up this free talent fast, get our own AI version of Wernher Braun

[DownInFlames]

It was a DEA raid of an underground club because of alleged gang activity. It happens all the time and likely doesn’t have anything to due with Trump’s immigration crackdown. The difference is if the alleged aliens get due process or not.

They also found active duty military in the club who might be ####ed.

https://www.denver7.com/news/investi...7-investigates

[FlamesAddiction]

Like others mentioned, due process is the key.

I personally don't have an issue deporting people who move into or over stay in a country illegally. Countries have a right to control who comes and who stays, and a lot of immigrants who voted for Trump did so because of that. They saw people jumping the queue, and in some situations, the negative things they fled from were following them and their communities to America.

It's also worth noting that "undocumented" and "illegal" are not the same thing, yet you see them used interchangeably quite often. For example, some undocumented are granted the right to stay on a case-by-case situation under the discretion of immigration officers and are kept under a close eye. Some of them have been allowed to stay for decades and it seems like taking that away without a real reason is unfair.

Just like the whole issue of birth right citizenship. It was never really intended to be a mechanism for birth tourism and a loophole to Americanize a family. A lot of countries don't have the loose birth right citizenship rules that the U.S. has and it's not like people are criticizing them for it. It was initially a mechanism to help absorb former slaves into the body politic after the abolishment of slavery. Challenging the loose interpretation isn't a new thing.

It's really just the inhumane treatment and lack of due process.

[Engine09]

I was at a concert last night on Colorado Springs, good thing I only go to rock and metal shows, I could be in El Salvador right now.

That's it for my US travel, nothing else booked.

Had an interesting conversation with a lady in the car rental line, there really are some Trump supporting lunatics down there. I asked if she was bothered by the fact that Trump was found civily liable in a sexual assault case. She literally replied "Biden is also a rapist!".

Couldn't give me any details on the case or the name of the victim though. They really are invested in defending the rapist clown.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Engine09

I was at a concert last night on Colorado Springs, good thing I only go to rock and metal shows, I could be in El Salvador right now.

That's it for my US travel, nothing else booked.

Had an interesting conversation with a lady in the car rental line, there really are some Trump supporting lunatics down there. I asked if she was bothered by the fact that Trump was found civily liable in a sexual assault case. She literally replied "Biden is also a rapist!".

Couldn't give me any details on the case or the name of the victim though. They really are invested in defending the rapist clown.

Biden didn’t run though. So she willfully and willingly voted for a rapist over a candidate who isn’t.

That said, Biden isn’t a rapist. These people are stupid and evil, and will make up projections to justify how utterly vile they are.

[Engine09]

When I asked for victim's name she scoffed.

It was hilarious, these loons always bring up Biden out of the blue. The conversation wasn't a comparison, she brought up Biden out of nowhere. I gave her the name of Trump's victim, E Jean Carroll, and she changed the subject. I doubt she even heard that on a whacko podcast, probably just made it up on the spot.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GGG

This raid doesn’t sound that unreasonable.

The important part will be whether or not people detained get due process.

You need to rethink your position here, it's so far beyond the pale.

Did they show probably cause? Have the given due processing?

They certainly shown a willingness to ignore those in the past month. They have not earn the benefit of the doubt, they have not shown an ability to be just or fair with their actions, they have gone into a public place of entertainment and leisure with assault weapons drawn interrupting the lives of people, for what? to tell you they are deporting 100 people?

This level of fear and generational trauma to a society isn't worth solving 0.001% of the 10 million undocumented people. To say nothing about the absolute insanity of that idea.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Engine09

When I asked for victim's name she scoffed.

It was hilarious, these loons always bring up Biden out of the blue. The conversation wasn't a comparison, she brought up Biden out of nowhere. I gave her the name of Trump's victim, E Jean Carroll, and she changed the subject. I doubt she even heard that on a whacko podcast, probably just made it up on the spot.

Good for you for calling her out for the info on the case of 'Biden the rapist'. I love calling MAGAs/Trump supporters/conservatives on the made up baloney they spew, asking them to cite their sources and provide details of said baloney. Then they get frustrated/angry/shouty because they can't.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Muta

Good for you for calling her out for the info on the case of 'Biden the rapist'. I love calling MAGAs/Trump supporters/conservatives on the made up baloney they spew, asking them to cite their sources and provide details of said baloney. Then they get frustrated/angry/shouty because they can't.

Yeah, I would ask if they had a daughter or granddaughter how can they be comfortable with any of the things Trump has said.

Unfortunately with AI and deepfakes at some point, every crappy thing Trump said will be chalked up as fake to them.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Engine09

When I asked for victim's name she scoffed.

It was hilarious, these loons always bring up Biden out of the blue. The conversation wasn't a comparison, she brought up Biden out of nowhere. I gave her the name of Trump's victim, E Jean Carroll, and she changed the subject. I doubt she even heard that on a whacko podcast, probably just made it up on the spot.

They really need to stop bringing Biden up all the time, for 2 reasons.

1. They really should set the bar higher. Lets face it, Joe wasn't the most electrifying president ever.
2. Its a terrible comparison for them. Biden was obviously superior to Trump

[GGG]

Originally Posted by #-3

You need to rethink your position here, it's so far beyond the pale.

Did they show probably cause? Have the given due processing?

They certainly shown a willingness to ignore those in the past month. They have not earn the benefit of the doubt, they have not shown an ability to be just or fair with their actions, they have gone into a public place of entertainment and leisure with assault weapons drawn interrupting the lives of people, for what? to tell you they are deporting 100 people?

This level of fear and generational trauma to a society isn't worth solving 0.001% of the 10 million undocumented people. To say nothing about the absolute insanity of that idea.

There, assuming the claims are true, was about 3 months of investigation that went into it with warrants for various people.

Again the due process part is the key as I stated in my post. This wasn’t and ICE with automatic weapons to round up undocumented immigrants. This was a gang / drug / prostitution bust planned in advance.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nightclub-raid

Now if it turns out that they didn’t have warrants for entry the amount of guns and drugs seized weren’t for trafficing and its harassing prostitues rather than going after traffickers then I would agree this is beyond the pale. But this on its face is not the action I would get outraged at.

The focus of media and activists should be on ensuring due process during enforcement rather than being angry at enforcement.

[sarge]

Originally Posted by Engine09

I was at a concert last night on Colorado Springs, good thing I only go to rock and metal shows, I could be in El Salvador right now.

That's it for my US travel, nothing else booked.

Had an interesting conversation with a lady in the car rental line, there really are some Trump supporting lunatics down there. I asked if she was bothered by the fact that Trump was found civily liable in a sexual assault case. She literally replied "Biden is also a rapist!".

Couldn't give me any details on the case or the name of the victim though. They really are invested in defending the rapist clown.

Whataboutism is MAGA’s bread and butter!

[#-3]

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