Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[sarge]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How is he not mini Trump.

Just look at how he went to suppourt the trucker ####ers, that is like Donald and Jan 6th and he has called it a day of love.

Exactly!Or are these similarities just coincidences?


https://youtu.be/WPzLs31fE_8?si=lmG-2kEdA643je6e

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by StickMan

You realize it is all the same people right? Even Carney has been the liberal party economic advisor since like 2020. It is all the same people. Nothing has changed, they just shuffled around positions.

Who’s changing in the CPC? They have been the same ineffective group for the last 10 years, so why would you vote for them? Even the NDP with a tiny number of seats managed to get some of their platform realized.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I have a question.

Why do you think Ontario votes Conservative in Provincial elections but Liberal in Federal elections?

Let’s be clear too “give some mayors extra power and rip out existing bike lanes for more cars…” conservatives… like they ran on that, and they keep sweeping the table. But no, it’s all liberal die hards out here in Ontario.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

StickMan dropping a trolling masterclass, Yoho would be proud.

The guy named himself StickMan and everyone is becoming the punchline.

It is a good thing we keep these posters around so that imaginary scenario where some confused soul stumbles across the CalgaryPuck.com forum and reads 20 pages of people chasing the snipe around a bush draws them back into the light.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by StickMan

You realize it is all the same people right? Even Carney has been the liberal party economic advisor since like 2020. It is all the same people. Nothing has changed, they just shuffled around positions.

Carney had been an informal economic advisor since 2020. One of many. They didn’t have a formal role in government, but were asked for input on economic policy.

Do CPC supporters genuinely think this country’s economic policy is formulated by one person? What do they think this is - the U.S?

I was disappointed Carney didn’t challenge that bit of disinformation Poilievre tossed out in the debate.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

The lead of the opposition should attack the government not the country

PP attacked the country? Care to explain?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

PP attacked the country? Care to explain?

He calls us broken constantly.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He calls us broken constantly.

They act like we are the US. Massive waves of crime that is happening. The fake government spending.

Rile up the crazies.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yup, that is exactly what I said.

You understand it's possible to criticize a government in a more meaningful and nuanced way than just saying "Canada is Broken" right?

So in your eyes Pierre hasn’t criticized government in a meaningful way? Let’s keep in mind he’s probably still going to have approx 40% of the population vote for him. There are millions upon millions that disagree with you. Do you think it’s possible that you might just cherry pick the comments that fit your narrative?

He basically forced the Liberals to alter the carbon tax. Was that a result of meaningful criticism?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Canada is so so broken, just look at this message board. If you don't think Canada is broken you must live under a rock. Every aspect gets worse everyday, and most of it is the liberal governments fault.

I don't have a ton to add, but this 'broken' stuff really bugs me.

StickMan, put down your phone or laptop or whatever you surf with and just go live your live for a few days, or even a few hours. Go hang out with friends, family, go watch a hockey game, go out for dinner, anything. Don't talk about politics, just enjoy life for a bit.

This is a fantastic country filled with great people. Yeah we disagree on politics and hockey and other stuff. But the more you get sucked into what you read on the internet the more you think everything is terrible.

This country is not broken. Things can be better, but it ain't broken.

[Slava]

I love that Poilievre, on the verge of releasing his costed platform, is suddenly phasing in his tax cut. He probably just realized that this was $14bn a year.

How pathetic is this though? They think they’re fit to govern, have been begging for an election for two years and can’t put together a costed plan. Now they’re going to release one and have to tinker with their plans to make sure it doesn’t look as bad?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

So in your eyes Pierre hasn’t criticized government in a meaningful way? Let’s keep in mind he’s probably still going to have approx 40% of the population vote for him. There are millions upon millions that disagree with you. Do you think it’s possible that you might just cherry pick the comments that fit your narrative?

He basically forced the Liberals to alter the carbon tax. Was that a result of meaningful criticism?

No.

But, let’s say it was, because that’s what you’re angling for and it’s actually more entertaining. So, your suggestion is that your feelings about the carbon tax, and the feelings of anyone who feels negatively about it (acknowledging it was abandoned because it was unpopular), is actually because PP told you to feel that way by criticizing it?

Like, you don’t even want to pretend to think for yourself here? Just, PP forced the Liberals to change the carbon tax because he made it unpopular by telling his followers how to think?

I’m not sure relying on ad populum after crediting PP as the source of your and his supporters thoughts and feelings is really doing the work you think it’s doing.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

PP attacked the country? Care to explain?

Are you the one on the left or the right? It's effing ridiculous a ton of Cdns gave him a pass on this..

Just talked with hundreds of cheerful, peaceful, salt-of-the-earth, give-you-the-shirt-off-their-back Canadians at the trucker protest.

They choose freedom over fear.

[cral12]

Poilievre: “courting the far-right”, “driven by anger” “aggressive”, “reminiscent of the ‘MAGA movement”

Carney: “stable”, “antidote to Trump’s chaos and a tariff-induced recession”

https://www.ft.com/content/958c5f58-...d-d094b8a6554e

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No.

But, let’s say it was, because that’s what you’re angling for and it’s actually more entertaining. So, your suggestion is that your feelings about the carbon tax, and the feelings of anyone who feels negatively about it (acknowledging it was abandoned because it was unpopular), is actually because PP told you to feel that way by criticizing it?

Like, you don’t even want to pretend to think for yourself here? Just, PP forced the Liberals to change the carbon tax because he made it unpopular by telling his followers how to think?

I’m not sure relying on ad populum after crediting PP as the source of your and his supporters thoughts and feelings is really doing the work you think it’s doing.

The altering of the carbon tax is merely an example. Do you think that Carney altering the carbon tax a month before the election had nothing to do with the fact that his opponent was lobbying hard against it? Let’s keep in mind that historically Carney was in favour of such a tax.

But again merely an example.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

The altering of the carbon tax is merely an example. Do you think that Carney altering the carbon tax a month before the election had nothing to do with the fact that his opponent was lobbying hard against it? Let’s keep in mind that historically Carney was in favour of such a tax.

But again merely an example.

Small point of correction, he removed the consumer carbon tax, he didn’t alter it. I know you’re confused, but figured I’d help.

Why he did it isn’t a secret, as he explained his reasoning several months before he became Prime Minister (not just a month before the election), which was that it had become too divisive.

Do you think if it was popular that it would have been removed because PP “lobbied hard”? Or are you just avoiding admitting that Carney listened to the people of Canada before he was in any position of power, and then acted on it as soon as he had the power to do so?

So, again, you’re suggesting you take cues from PP on how to think and feel about things, and now doubling down on that embarrassment by giving PP credit for someone else actually listening to your sentiments. Is PP just everything to you?

[Hemi-Cuda]

The conservatives biggest problem is that they can't give you any reasons to vote for them, only soundbites of why you shouldn't vote Liberal. Democrats tried that twice against Trump with Clinton and Harris and failed miserably both times, my hunch is that the same will play out for PP

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Woke Liberal Agenda
Carney's Investments
Same People in Caucus
GDP per Capita
National Debt
High Taxes
Trump prefers Carney

Never any mention of anything positive about the PP Conservatives

I had this exact conversation with a freedummer. Like, literally point for point. And this is an intelligent person in his field. I patiently, and then not so patiently, explained each point as a choice between the two leaders. He looked at me like he had never heard anyone ever question any of the points. Sad. I hope he thought about it after, but I doubt it.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Small point of correction, he removed the consumer carbon tax, he didn’t alter it. I know you’re confused, but figured I’d help.

Altered is probably the more accurate term because Carney signed an order to change the consumer price to $0 as of April 1. But what the government hasn't actually done, and it is unknown if they will do this, is to repeal the portion of the act that establishes the consumer carbon tax thus eliminating/removing the tax altogether.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Conspiracy theorists are out talking about taking pens to the polls because they have never seen pencils. Trust no one.

These people are nuts. At least come up with something good.