[News Roundup] Garbage Bag Day Thread

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Name me one team that keeps a top-four NHL defenceman stashed in the AHL in case of injury.

We struggled to replace bahl when he was injured? It would have been nice if solo or kuz could have come in and solidified at least the bottom pair.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Fan69

We struggled to replace bahl when he was injured? It would have been nice if solo or kuz could have come in and solidified at least the bottom pair.

Name us one team that keeps two top-four NHL defencemen stashed in the AHL in case of injury.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fan69

And hence the problem. We didn’t have anyone that was remotely close. Backs as well it seems.

I have stated before it was disappointing that none if our ahl guys really seemed capable of taking the bull by the horns.

Wranglers who played with the Flames this year:

Klapka
Rooney
Kirkland
Morton
Bishop
Duehr
Kerins!
Hunt
Honzek
Solovyov
Brzustewicz

what more can we expect?

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wranglers who played with the Flames this year:

Klapka
Rooney
Kirkland
Morton
Bishop
Duehr
Kerins!
Hunt
Honzek
Solovyov
Brzustewicz

what more can we expect?

That was directed specifically at solo and kuz.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Fan69

We struggled to replace bahl when he was injured? It would have been nice if solo or kuz could have come in and solidified at least the bottom pair.

What good is solidifying the bottom pair if you sit Andersson and have a giant hole on one of the top two pairs?

I think a lot of people underestimate the talent gap between the NHL and AHL. The best players at the AHL level are tweeners at the NHL level – or else they get promoted. Nobody on the Wranglers' roster could have taken Andersson's minutes without getting caved at least as badly as he did.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What good is solidifying the bottom pair if you sit Andersson and have a giant hole on one of the top two pairs?

I think a lot of people underestimate the talent gap between the NHL and AHL. The best players at the AHL level are tweeners at the NHL level – or else they get promoted. Nobody on the Wranglers' roster could have taken Andersson's minutes without getting caved at least as badly as he did.

A half decent bottom pair would have been able to absorb some of the minutes Anderson had even if you didnt pull him out if he line up. Both those guys had an opportunity to grab a position neither one did.

My point is simply that i am not as convinced as some of how many defenders we actually have who are legit. Seems right now its brewski, parekh and maybe morin. Kuz and solo arent 20 anymore and neither one seems any closer to becoming a full time nhl’r

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fan69

A half decent bottom pair would have been able to absorb some of the minutes Anderson had even if you didnt pull him out if he line up. Both those guys had an opportunity to grab a position neither one did.

My point is simply that i am not as convinced as some of how many defenders we actually have who are legit. Seems right now its brewski, parekh and maybe morin. Kuz and solo arent 20 anymore and neither one seems any closer to becoming a full time nhl’r

Kuznetsov was never given the opportunity, despite the fact that many observers felt he was the Wranglers' best Dman this year

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Fan69

A half decent bottom pair would have been able to absorb some of the minutes Anderson had even if you didnt pull him out if he line up. Both those guys had an opportunity to grab a position neither one did.

My point is simply that i am not as convinced as some of how many defenders we actually have who are legit. Seems right now its brewski, parekh and maybe morin. Kuz and solo arent 20 anymore and neither one seems any closer to becoming a full time nhl’r

OK. But the subject people were just arguing about was whether Andersson, playing through an injury, was a better option than an AHL callup. I don't see anyone on the Wranglers' roster who wouldn't have been a significant downgrade. Brzustewicz will get there in time, I believe, but based on this season he isn't ready yet.

[8sPOT]

I think Andersson gets moved this summer, maybe even at the draft. He strikes me as a guy who wants to win, and the Flames are a little way away from that at best.

And from the team perspective, it doesn't fit Conroys plan to sign a guy approaching 30 to a long-term deal.

[GirlySports]

I'm catching up.

I don't get Andersson playing through injury. He would have been even more ineffective in the playoffs so what's the point. Play Kuz, Brz or Parekh starting in Anahiem. If you miss out so what, if you get in, now you have a new fresh weapon.

[Bingo]

I think it's more than fair to assume 3 things.

1) Andersson and team officials (including) medical came to the conclusion that he wouldn't make it worse playing. He wouldn't be going to the worlds if that wasn't the case.

2) The team felt Andersson at x% was till integral to their chances of making the playoffs.

3) Andersson wanted to play.

To assume any of the team not looking into the severity, or forcing the player to play against his will or playing the player when a better option was available ... is crazy to me.

[dammage79]

When Conny told us about what Razzs foot looked like I couldn't help but think that maybe he should have been on IR. Playoff fight be damned.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think it's more than fair to assume 3 things.

1) Andersson and team officials (including) medical came to the conclusion that he wouldn't make it worse playing. He wouldn't be going to the worlds if that wasn't the case.

2) The team felt Andersson at x% was till integral to their chances of making the playoffs.

3) Andersson wanted to play.

To assume any of the team not looking into the severity, or forcing the player to play against his will or playing the player when a better option was available ... is crazy to me.

It is just astounding that anyone would come to one of those conclusions. I don't know how those people make it through their day.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is just astounding that anyone would come to one of those conclusions. I don't know how those people make it through their day.

Sometimes you just need time to heal. Look at Monahan. and considering his play was terrible for the last 30 games.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Sometimes you just need time to heal. Look at Monahan. and considering his play was terrible for the last 30 games.

Yes, sometimes you do. That's why they have doctors on the staff - to help with those sorts of decisions.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think it's more than fair to assume 3 things.

1) Andersson and team officials (including) medical came to the conclusion that he wouldn't make it worse playing. He wouldn't be going to the worlds if that wasn't the case.

2) The team felt Andersson at x% was till integral to their chances of making the playoffs.

3) Andersson wanted to play.

To assume any of the team not looking into the severity, or forcing the player to play against his will or playing the player when a better option was available ... is crazy to me.

I definitely agree with each point. I just think that we may still be suffering from witnessing Monahan skating around and looking like his career was completely over. Had it not been for that, I wouldn't be able to understand some of the posters here with their 'crazy' takes. I do, however, agree with each point you made and feel it was probably the right call to have Andersson continue playing through his injury.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think it's more than fair to assume 3 things.

1) Andersson and team officials (including) medical came to the conclusion that he wouldn't make it worse playing. He wouldn't be going to the worlds if that wasn't the case.

2) The team felt Andersson at x% was till integral to their chances of making the playoffs.

3) Andersson wanted to play.

To assume any of the team not looking into the severity, or forcing the player to play against his will or playing the player when a better option was available ... is crazy to me.

That's certainly a generous take

He was clearly not playing at a level that most fans would consider contributory to team success. And I'd really love to hear a doctor outright, in public, state that playing professional hockey on a broken/fractured fibula of any severity poses little/no risk of making the injury worse, there's hundreds of potential impact events in a game that could make it worse (Blocked shots, Slashes, Hits, the simple act of stopping or sharply changing direction), it's absurd.

Ya, the players always want to play, hockey culture has taught them from a young age that it's manly and heroic to do so, why are teams still allowing them? Imo, we'll be looking back on this kind of crap in 20 years much the way we do now about fighting and CTE

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

That's certainly a generous take

He was clearly not playing at a level that most fans would consider contributory to team success. And I'd really love to hear a doctor outright, in public, state that playing professional hockey on a broken/fractured fibula of any severity poses little/no risk of making the injury worse, there's hundreds of potential impact events in a game that could make it worse (Blocked shots, Slashes, Hits, the simple act of stopping or sharply changing direction), it's absurd.

Ya, the players always want to play, hockey culture has taught them from a young age that it's manly and heroic to do so, why are teams still allowing them? Imo, we'll be looking back on this kind of crap in 20 years much the way we do now about fighting and CTE

We have dozens of stories from players in the 60's, 70's and 80's and the effects of CTE, consistent fights, head hits etc. I would imagine there would be a similar history for players having negative longterm effects on their health as a result of playing through injury. Otherwise I doubt in 20 years we'll all of a sudden see a surge in negative health effects, causing us to look back on this 'crap' like CTE and related.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

That's certainly a generous take

He was clearly not playing at a level that most fans would consider contributory to team success. And I'd really love to hear a doctor outright, in public, state that playing professional hockey on a broken/fractured fibula of any severity poses little/no risk of making the injury worse, there's hundreds of potential impact events in a game that could make it worse (Blocked shots, Slashes, Hits, the simple act of stopping or sharply changing direction), it's absurd.

Ya, the players always want to play, hockey culture has taught them from a young age that it's manly and heroic to do so, why are teams still allowing them? Imo, we'll be looking back on this kind of crap in 20 years much the way we do now about fighting and CTE

Not sure generous is the word.

So you're saying then ...

1) Team officials (medical and management) played him with the potential of it getting worse despite the fact he's a likely trade chip this summer. And ...
2) They are so clued out that they are letting said asset go to the Worlds and further diminish his asset value. And ...
3) Fans have a better handle on whether or not there are better options on an AHL team to play top pairing minutes in the NHL.

Ok ...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

That's certainly a generous take

He was clearly not playing at a level that most fans would consider contributory to team success. And I'd really love to hear a doctor outright, in public, state that playing professional hockey on a broken/fractured fibula of any severity poses little/no risk of making the injury worse, there's hundreds of potential impact events in a game that could make it worse (Blocked shots, Slashes, Hits, the simple act of stopping or sharply changing direction), it's absurd.

Ya, the players always want to play, hockey culture has taught them from a young age that it's manly and heroic to do so, why are teams still allowing them? Imo, we'll be looking back on this kind of crap in 20 years much the way we do now about fighting and CTE

Was Andersson playing better than Miromanov? Because that's who would have been his immediate replacement.