US Citizenship

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

My understanding is you don't need to renounce your Canadian citizenship, but the US will no longer recognize it. ie, they won't consider your Canadian passport a valid passport for entry. But Canada and other countries would.

That 100% not true.

[PepsiFree]

They do get mad if you use your Canadian passport for entry instead of your American one, though.

[DoubleK]

Dual Nationality

U.S. nationals, including U.S. dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. U.S. dual nationals may also be required by the country of their foreign nationality to use that country’s passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is not inconsistent with U.S. law.

Saying you must use your US passport to enter is not the same thing as saying they don't consider the Canadian passport as not valid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Honestly, who knows what the rules regarding passports, dual citizenship visas, resident status, and so on will be in a couple of years from now. I wouldn't take anything for granted at this point.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol



Someone doesn’t like how their own medicine tastes. Sorry I didn’t “back it up” with *insert overly generalized anecdote touching on one aspect of the concept of opportunity*, it would have been so smart!

Which one of us is American?

For someone who complains about anecdotal evidence a lot, it’s pretty funny how your points rely on your own vague conjecture more than anything else.

I know you also like to avoid data when it doesn’t meet the narrative you build based on that vague conjecture, but there’s more than just anecdotal evidence for this.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7218479

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They do get mad if you use your Canadian passport for entry instead of your American one, though.

I will concede that our situation is a bit different as we are members of Nexus/Global Entry, the Americans already know everything there is to know about our movements.

Random anecdote, we got some really good advice at the Roosville border crossing on the immigration process.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

You probably picked the single most expensive market in the US with the highest taxes in the US and compared it (if you live in Alberta) to one of the best income to cost of living ratios and lowest taxed places in Canada.

But given the constraint of nicer weather you are more or less limited to places with high taxes and given that this is CP the default comparison of Alberta is certainly reasonable.

Maybe Colorado or the Carolinas

Alberta if you are in O+G is probably the best place in the world to live. I looked at Texas a few times over the years and it was never particularly close.

[loudin218]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

My understanding is you don't need to renounce your Canadian citizenship, but the US will no longer recognize it. ie, they won't consider your Canadian passport a valid passport for entry. But Canada and other countries would.

Correct. In the oath, you "renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to..." your former country, which isn't the same as renouncing your citizenship.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

WTF are you even talking about.

They haven't snagged a job paying $500k/yr in Canada.

[Coach]

I've been a dual citizen my whole life. Never had a US Passport. I've travelled to the US many times. Sometimes the border guard asks why I don't use my US passport. Like twice ever.

That said, even as a citizen, with the only proof being my birth cert and SSN, even I don't want to cross the border right now.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by D as in David

They haven't snagged a job paying $500k/yr in Canada.

Pfft.....what? Are they even trying?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

For someone who complains about anecdotal evidence a lot, it’s pretty funny how your points rely on your own vague conjecture more than anything else.

I know you also like to avoid data when it doesn’t meet the narrative you build based on that vague conjecture, but there’s more than just anecdotal evidence for this.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7218479

Ah, deflecting the fact that I was just serving up the same as you I see.

Are you lost friend? Do you know what point you’re even trying to counter did you just get a boner for the opportunity to throw “narrative” in?

I said Canada was great for opportunity. None of what you posted contradicts that.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Ah, deflecting the fact that I was just serving up the same as you I see.

Are you lost friend? Do you know what point you’re even trying to counter did you just get a boner for the opportunity to throw “narrative” in?

I said Canada was great for opportunity. None of what you posted contradicts that.

Hahaha classic PepsiFree going in for a comment purposely goading people, then pull back, move goalposts, and whine that it wasn't exactly the response you were trying to illicit.

Never change, my friend, makes this board infinitely more interesting.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Hahaha classic PepsiFree going in for a comment purposely goading people, then pull back, move goalposts, and whine that it wasn't exactly the response you were trying to illicit.

Never change, my friend, makes this board infinitely more interesting.

Pretty sure baggage handlers at the airport carry less in a day than the amount you’re trying to unload onto this exchange.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Pretty sure baggage handlers at the airport carry less in a day than the amount you’re trying to unload onto this exchange.

Zing!

You’re not enjoying this as much as I am?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Zing!

You’re not enjoying this as much as I am?

It’s not your best work tbh. You’re hitting all the notes (narrative, goal posts, the “here’s you” quote that’s supposed to be inner thought, etc) and I don’t know if they’re just a little played out or that it feels like you’re trying too hard, but it’s definitely missing that spark.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Oh well that settles it then.

Hey have you read the FIRE book by Quan? He got a job at Facebook after school. It started at $500K/yr.

Whatcha making now?

Rich Homie Quan?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Oh well that settles it then.

Hey have you read the FIRE book by Quan? He got a job at Facebook after school. It started at $500K/yr.

Whatcha making now?

Who cares what you make when you can get shot at anytime any where.

I guess you don't have kids because who would want to raise their kids in that 3rd world kyithole country.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

My understanding is you don't need to renounce your Canadian citizenship, but the US will no longer recognize it. ie, they won't consider your Canadian passport a valid passport for entry. But Canada and other countries would.

I worked in the US for about 10 years before applying for citizenship. TN visa first then green card after marrying an American. Then citizenship. I keep my Canadian passport current, and always enter Canada with the Canadian passport, re-enter US with the American passport. There is really not much meaning to the US “recognizing” a Canadian passport, since you are an American and should enter the country as such. My kids were born in the US but they also have Canadian passports since they are children of a Canadian.

IMO it’s the only way to go. If you’re going to live and work in a country, and pay taxes, it’s nice to have the right to vote.

One downside is that the US taxes its citizens on worldwide income. So if you see yourself living in Canada one day with no US assets or sources of income, you may be filing a US tax return still. You get foreign tax credits for the foreign taxes paid but I suppose no reason to believe that the tax code will never change.

[Minnie]

I am an American citizen. I've lived in Canada for almost 54 of my almost 57 years of existence. I am a landed immigrant/permanent resident. I'd like to ditch my US citizenship forever. I have zero interest in keeping it, I will never return to the US to live, there is no benefit for me to do so. But....when I was born, you didn't automatically get/apply for a SSN, like what happens now in the US, the second you first draw breath outside the womb. So I do not have one. Back in the day, it was like it was here, you applied for your SSN (US)/SIN (Canada) when you hit 14ish and wanted to get a job. So, I applied for my SIN at 14 and got it. I didn't live in the US, so I didn't apply for a SSN, it never even occurred to me, since I was never going to be working or living there ever again. I haven't been in the US since around March or April of 2009, and it was in July that year, I think, that having to have a passport to travel between the countries, came into effect.

I could apply for a SSN now, and get a US passport, blah blah blah, and also become a naturalized Canadian citizen, I'm past the age now, I believe, where you no longer have to take the test (past age 55, IIRC), but an interview with a citizenship officer or citizenship judge may be required. But, I think I'd also have to have meet some sort of requirement of having filed taxes in the US, which I've never done. I didn't even know that was a thing until the past few years. I've just been more or less coasting along, paying taxes in Canada as required, happily living life, my parents never updated anything, told me anything, I'd never seen or read anything about any of this - it just never crossed my radar. Insofar as I knew, I was in compliance, no one came looking for me or said anything, so my assumption was it was all tickety boo.

I'd love to become a Canadian citizen, I think I have to do something about my/a permanent resident card because I just have the small old paper IMM 1000 card, from back in 1971, still in my maiden name, signed by my father, because you know, I was a toddler, LOL. I think that got changed, to a plastic card like a driver's license? I don't have that, I better get on that, oops.

But, how badly do I want to be on the radar for the US gov't? What's the cost going to be, and not just monetary, to applying for my SSN, just to get a US passport, when I don't really care whether or not I travel outside of Canada anymore? Then I have to figure out the taxation issue. How far back do I have to go to file, how much will that cost? I doubt I've ever made the amount of money they're going to give a flying flip about, in fact I'm pretty much 100% sure I've never made enough money for them to give a crap about, where I'd end up owing the US any money. Do I have to appear in person to get my SSN and how do I do that, when I don't have a Canadian passport to get back into Canada? I have exactly ZERO desire to be in the US or live there - are they going to let me back in, based on living here 95% of my entire life, being married to a Canadian, having a residence in Canada, having an AH card, etc? All worries, you know? Like, what's the route here?

I want to renounce my US citizenship, but that requires having Canadian first, I can't be stateless, it tends not to go over well, LOL. There also seems to be some notion that because I'm adopted, I wouldn't be able to get dual. My parents applied for dual citizenship for my 3 younger brothers when they were minors - I'm a great deal older than all 3, and was married and on my own at the point they applied for dual for the boys - so they'd have US as well as Canadian (dad, American and mom Canadian) and the eldest of the 3 was denied dual because he was an adopted child; the other 2 received it, no issues, because they are "natural born" children to my parents - now, I didn't press for details on this, so it could be that there was a reason it was denied, but I am not privy to that info, and I'd have to go back into contact with my mother to find out and no thank you very much.

So, am I going to have the same problem, but in reverse? Am I destined to hold my US citizenship forever? Having just looked it up, it may be that it won't be an issue, but I don't know for sure. Plus, it costs nearly $3200 to renounce, something else to take into consideration. I have no use for my US citizenship, unless I want to travel internationally and current circumstances mean it's highly unlikely I'd be able to travel even if I wanted to (health, etc) and that just doesn't seem to be reason enough to keep it. I don't intend to leave Canada. *shrug*

Just a giant circular bunch of red tape and money. I think I'm going to be getting a crash course in all these things shortly, since my daughter married a US citizen 4 months ago, who wants to immigrate to Canada. Given my daughter's vast health issues/concerns, it makes absolutely zero sense for her to go to the US to live with her wife, plus hello, the way they're killing off citizen rights down there right now, would either of them be in any kind of danger? We have no idea how things are going to play out, but if current circumstances are any indication, moving to the US could place my daughter in jeopardy, and not just from the medical point of view.

Originally Posted by Drak

We have sort of the opposite thing going on up here. My wife is an American citizen, Canadian resident. She’s lived up here about as long as she lived in the States. She’s talked about getting her Canadian citizenship but never has, and I suppose maybe that’s the right thing in these times, since she has family obligations down there. Scary times, though.

This is of interest to me, because I think there are certain states that have filial responsibility laws, where they hold adult children financially responsible for the long term care of their parents, particularly if the parents are unable to afford their own long-term care. I think I read about a case of this recently, where the adult child had long been no contact with the parent(s) because of severe abuse that occurred and were suddenly contacted to either pay for long term care for the now infirm and elderly parent they hadn't been in contact with for more than 20 years, or take them into their home and be responsible for them, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like a total horror show.