2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Realistically the Flames are 4 or 5 good players away from being a playoff team. It’s hard to get those without overpaying

Lol playoff team? they missed by a point

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They got Wolf, Parekh is about as good of a D prospect you can get, and still me decent options on the wings. They have no #1Cs in the pool at all and will be in tough get any if they stay out of the top 5.

Missing the most important piece to winning. No easy task.

But they can keep trading picks for 2nd and 3rd liners and guys who leave for Russia.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

They are a #1C away right now, IF Parekh hits his full potential.

If they somehow miraculously found an 18yo in this year's draft with that kind of upside, it would be about four or five years before that player was "complete" enough to be the #1C we're short.

Now five years from now, Kadri and Huberdeau will be washed.

So we'll also be a #1W and a #2C away.

And Backlund will be washed.

So we'll also be a #2/3C away.

And Weegar will be washed

So we'll also be a #2D away.

And that's all assuming Wolf maintains his level, guys like Klapka, Pospisil, Zary, Coronato stay healthy and maintain or up their level and remain contractually attractive.

...We're really far away. Because we're not getting that #1C in this year's draft anyways.

You do know that we will continue to draft and develop other players while those guys you cite are getting older, right?

Flames just proved they are not that far from being a playoff team, then they need to be a consistent playoff team. From there you build into contender.

Things are not that bad.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

You do know that we will continue to draft and develop other players while those guys you cite are getting older, right?

Of course I know that.

But players in those important roles (#2D, #1W, #2C x 2) are vital pieces of championship teams and do not grow on trees. Typically they are drafted top ten in drafts themselves. Even with our strong draft history, there are no guarantees that we would have a single one of those positions in our system excluding Parekh. Even a high-quality prospect like Henry Mews, may be a decade away from having the complete game needed to be a legit cup calibre #2D for all we know. Even Zary hasn't proven to be a lock to function as a Backlund replacement and he's been the most impactful natural center we've drafted in the last decade.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Missing the most important piece to winning. No easy task.

But they can keep trading picks for 2nd and 3rd liners and guys who leave for Russia.

That’s why I think they should get McTavish. He’ll better than any center they draft any time soon

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheChief

I think the flames need to figure out what they are doing with their veterans. If they are keeping them all there wont be any bottoming out I dont think. I think we will be hard pressed even with wolf being what he has shown to be. I think a Mctavish offersheet would be amazing.

"Bottoming out" was never actually on the menu and I think some posters need to come to terms with that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

"Bottoming out" was never actually on the menu and I think some posters need to come to terms with that.

I actually think they tried. The offense was bottom out worthy

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Of course I know that.

But players in those important roles (#2D, #1W, #2C x 2) are vital pieces of championship teams and do not grow on trees. Typically they are drafted top ten in drafts themselves. Even with our strong draft history, there are no guarantees that we would have a single one of those positions in our system excluding Parekh. Even a high-quality prospect like Henry Mews, may be a decade away from having the complete game needed to be a legit cup calibre #2D for all we know. Even Zary hasn't proven to be a lock to function as a Backlund replacement and he's been the most impactful natural center we've drafted in the last decade.

This is the mirror image of the other fringe theory, that our kids will all be super stars.

Sure, the edge cases could come true but it’s way more likely that the reality will be somewhere in the middle.

Replacements for guys like Weegar, Rasmus and even Bahl are probably already in the system. Same for wingers. Yes, middle centres is a concern but they have time to address that before Kadri, Backlund and Frost retire.

Flames will be fine.

[Rhett44]

Kadri and Backlund are aging and will become dust soon.

I would like to trade them while they still have value.

[SeanCharles]

Not saying this will all work out this way by any means but it's not crazy to think after developing a while and retaining the young NHLers we have the org chart of younger players doesn't look terrible:

Gridin-____-Coronato
Zary-Frost- Suniev
Farabee-Misa-Klapka
Honzek-Morton-Pospisil

Bahl-Parekh
Grushnikov-Brzustewicz
Solovyov-Mews

Wolf

Still got guys like Basha, Battaglia, Stromgren, Kerins, Poirier Morin, Kuznetsov and the obvious vets who will fill some of those roles too.

Huska said he wouldn't be surprised if Gridin pushed for a job next season. All I've heard about Suniev is he has all the tools except skating and we know we have a trainer that can get that trait shored up if the player puts the work in. His college coach said he's never seen a kid more dedicated and driven to make the NHL. Pat is really high on Misa and thinks he could become a solid 3C. Honzek made the team out of camp last year. We all know what Parekh could be and Solovyov looked NHL capable in a small sample size. Brz and Mews are looking good as well.

I do agree we aren't close to being where we need to be and the biggest hole is the hardest to find and we have no idea if any of them actually pan out but I do think we have a solid group of W and D prospects that could develop into some of the things we need.

The only thing we can do is continue to add good prospects to give us more darts.

[Hackey]

I think the Flames are more likely to regress next year than improve. Which would be for the best. They need some high picks and high end talent. Coronato looks like he could be a good depth player but they don't have a single elite forward on the team or in the system.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think the Flames are more likely to regress next year than improve. Which would be for the best. They need some high picks and high end talent. Coronato looks like he could be a good depth player but they don't have a single elite forward on the team or in the system.

You keep hoping and wishing for that bud.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Coronato looks like he could be a good depth player.

That's just a silly comment. There's a pretty big chasm between depth player and elite forward.

Coronato may not play a play driving 50 goal scorer. But he's certainly a top 6 winger at worst which is far from a depth piece.

[Rhett44]

Coronato is a fine 2nd line player.

We do still need some elite players and 1st liners though. I really hope we tank next year and get a top pick prospect.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Not saying this will all work out this way by any means but it's not crazy to think after developing a while and retaining the young NHLers we have the org chart of younger players doesn't look terrible:

Gridin-____-Coronato
Zary-Frost- Suniev
Farabee-Misa-Klapka
Honzek-Morton-Pospisil

Bahl-Parekh
Grushnikov-Brzustewicz
Solovyov-Mews

Wolf

Still got guys like Basha, Battaglia, Stromgren, Kerins, Poirier Morin, Kuznetsov and the obvious vets who will fill some of those roles too.

Huska said he wouldn't be surprised if Gridin pushed for a job next season. All I've heard about Suniev is he has all the tools except skating and we know we have a trainer that can get that trait shored up if the player puts the work in. His college coach said he's never seen a kid more dedicated and driven to make the NHL. Pat is really high on Misa and thinks he could become a solid 3C. Honzek made the team out of camp last year. We all know what Parekh could be and Solovyov looked NHL capable in a small sample size. Brz and Mews are looking good as well.

I do agree we aren't close to being where we need to be and the biggest hole is the hardest to find and we have no idea if any of them actually pan out but I do think we have a solid group of W and D prospects that could develop into some of the things we need.

The only thing we can do is continue to add good prospects to give us more darts.

Agree with so much of this and your list is a few months away from adding two of possibly Cootes, Zonnon, martin, hensly, reschny,murtagh,Gastrin to the list granting we make no trades.

Personally think a trade or offer sheet for for a potential top six Center is whats in the works for the summer. I think we do part ways with Anderson this summer hopefully adding three of those guys to our prospect pool.

To me the question for next year is the defence. If you trade anderson

Weegs?
Bahl,?
Pachal?

I still think part if our game plan will be to use our depth of wingers to make a trade for defence and center.

Hopefully Parehk can fill one of those slots. Its been a concern that none if our ahl defenders could really come up and take one of those jobs, im not sure solo or kuz are more than tweeners. Bru or grush could surprise? To give yourself a chance you would have to sign or trade.

In the above line up huby and sharky and coleman would have to be traded. Just noticed kadri and backs as well.

Other than Coleman i dont think huby is tradeable and if shark gets back to form why trade him? 3 of our 8 wing positions are filled 3+ years.
Scoronato isnt going anywhere thats four, and if klapka comes into camp next year and continues where he left off were not letting a skilled young hockey mutant go anywhere thats five. Then lombo and pospisil? Something has to give.

Trade some if our winger depth for defence and center in that under 25 bracket. I think this team could be competitive a lot sooner than people think.

Cant remember when this team ever had so many assets.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Agree with so much of this and your list is a few months away from adding two of possibly Cootes, Zonnon, martin, hensly, reschny,murtagh,Gastrin to the list granting we make no trades.

Personally think a trade or offer sheet for for a potential top six Center is whats in the works for the summer. I think we do part ways with Anderson this summer hopefully adding three of those guys to our prospect pool.

To me the question for next year is the defence. If you trade anderson

Weegs?
Bahl,?
Pachal?

I still think part if our game plan will be to use our depth of wingers to make a trade for defence and center.

Hopefully Parehk can fill one of those slots. Its been a concern that none if our ahl defenders could really come up and take one of those jobs, im not sure solo or kuz are more than tweeners. Bru or grush could surprise? To give yourself a chance you would have to sign or trade.

In the above line up huby and sharky and coleman would have to be traded. Just noticed kadri and backs as well.

Other than Coleman i dont think huby is tradeable and if shark gets back to form why trade him? 3 of our 8 wing positions are filled 3+ years.
Scoronato isnt going anywhere thats four, and if klapka comes into camp next year and continues where he left off were not letting a skilled young hockey mutant go anywhere thats five. Then lombo and pospisil? Something has to give.

Trade some if our winger depth for defence and center in that under 25 bracket. I think this team could be competitive a lot sooner than people think.

Cant remember when this team ever had so many assets.

The 'lineup' I posted was just an outlook of our younger players. There will still obviously be some older vets that round it out. Was just trying to illustrate that we have young guys that have legitimate NHL potential and/or runway to continue developing and fill in some of the roles needed.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

The 'lineup' I posted was just an outlook of our younger players. There will still obviously be some older vets that round it out. Was just trying to illustrate that we have young guys that have legitimate NHL potential and/or runway to continue developing and fill in some of the roles needed.

Oh completely understood!
my point was more that we have an abundance of assets, particularly at wing and i think our defensive depth isn't as good as we think.

You had battaglia out if the line up and i think he is going to be a really good player, whos signing went more quietly than i thought it should; but think everyone you had in the line up are also going to be good players so what’s a guy to do?

Would i be sad to include a basha, or battaglia, or gridin in a trade? really like all the players but if the return was a high end center prospect or a guy buried on a depth chart i would be all about it, just sadly.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Kadri and Backlund are aging and will become dust soon.

I would like to trade them while they still have value.

Kadri has a complete NMC and has made it clear he doesn't want to be traded. He doesn't care what you would like, it's not going to happen.

Backlund might be traded after January 1, when his NMC converts to a limited NTC with a 15-team list. At that point it depends what kind of offers they get. They might just keep him and let him retire as a career Flame.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Coronato is a fine 2nd line player.

I believe Coronato has the skills to be a goal-scoring first-line RW. He scored 24 in an incomplete season, moving up and down the lineup, without ever finding a centre who could consistently feed him the puck. With a good playmaking centre, I believe he'd be a lock for 30 goals and might flirt with 40.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I believe Coronato has the skills to be a goal-scoring first-line RW. He scored 24 in an incomplete season, moving up and down the lineup, without ever finding a centre who could consistently feed him the puck. With a good playmaking centre, I believe he'd be a lock for 30 goals and might flirt with 40.

Agreed. I really think Frost with Coronato will be a thing. The other wing could be Klapka also. Frost really needs a strong dynamic winger that can read him, but if Klapka can be a Wilson it changes that quick.