Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[GGG]

Originally Posted by indes

It is an interesting thought experiment to compare just giving out 1700$/child (under 5) to all parents vs putting it into daycare subsidy. It would open up the option for more people to be stay at home parents and still cover the higher earners who want to opt for daycare.

Part of the benefit of the program is increased labour participation. The economy benefits by subsidizing people to work and loses out by subsidizing people to stay home.

[Fuzz]

If Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives win the federal election, they could move at lightning speed to shrink the size of the public service.

That’s according to Ian Brodie, a former chief of staff of prime minister Stephen Harper, who believes the most surefire way to usher in deregulation in Canada (a main priority for Poilievre) is to reduce the head count of the public service and fast.

“Once you deprive the public service of the people to create policies, guidelines and regulations and letters and contract documents and so on and so forth, the burden on society is reduced,” Brodie told an audience at the Canada Strong and Free Network’s annual conference in downtown Ottawa on April 11.

“The good thing, compared to the United States, is that, for all sorts of constitutional legal reasons, the impediments to DOGE (the Department of Government Efficiency) moving quickly, we don’t really have to worry about in Canada,” Brodie said at the conservative conference. “Canada can move as quickly as it wants in fixing the fiscal problems.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-ser...uts-ian-brodie


I guess if you like what Trump is doing but want it to happen faster with less oversight, vote Conservative? And yes, these leopards will absolutely eat your face, so don't go thinking whatever you are getting from the government is safe.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-ser...uts-ian-brodie


I guess if you like what Trump is doing but want it to happen faster with less oversight, vote Conservative? And yes, these leopards will absolutely eat your face, so don't go thinking whatever you are getting from the government is safe.

I just don't understand how people compare PP to Trump, it's not fair!

[direwolf]

Well that just solidifies my vote even more. I look forward to proudly voting Liberal later this week as soon as early voting opens. The Cons deserve a crushing loss for all of this Maple MAGA bulls***.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It definitely seems like there are far fewer signs this year. Driving around my riding you would barely know there was an election. I've always felt that the signs are a huge waste of resources and I don't know if that corrugated plastic can be recycled or not.

Signs are quite effective. Voters are more likely to be influenced by people they know when it comes to their voting patterns. The rule of thumb in political circles is that one sign equates to 10 votes for that candidate/party.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

In other news, Steve Boots is saying there's quite a bit of internal turmoil with the NDP. Some major allegations of staff/volunteer mistreatment. Trying to find an additional source with more info, but it's definitely making me consider re-evaluating my vote.

I do really like my MP, Laurel Collins, so I may just vote for her personally instead of the party, but it's really going to depend on what the allegations look like.

I've given up on the NDP, they are as much of a hobby party as the Greens and the Christian Heritage Party comfortable with their place in life, a good gig for a few hundred poly sci grads and a social club for a few thousand old hippies

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I've given up on the NDP, they are as much of a hobby party as the Greens and the Christian Heritage Party comfortable with their place in life, a good gig for a few hundred poly sci grads and a social club for a few thousand old hippies

Most of the poli sci kids I graduated with out here are more likely to be involved with federal Liberals or the BC NDP.

In Alberta, they all get poached by the Manning Centre and turn into deplorable scum like PP and DS.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Way back I remember watching the rumble with Jon Stewart and O'Rielly and two things stood out to me. Maybe off topic but I 1) don't have anyone else who cares about politics like you loyal folks do and 2) really think it's what I look for when voting for any party or person.

1) We've already decided that we as a society will help those who need it. It's not a question of why, it's a question of how best to do it. - I like this angle more than give to someone by taking for another. How can we be the most effective with the support we want to give? It's a process, it's not simple, and it's rare there will ever be perfection but continual progress in protecting the most vulnerable.

2) Conservatives think that simple questions have simple answers, the reality is things are much more complex. - JG13, not targeting you but just cause it was the most recent conversation but housing affordability. It's not just build the homes, or waive development fees, or halt immigration, but a combination of all these factors and more.

I used the first one when talking to a coworker today and actually got her thinking, so I call that a win. Carry on with your days peeps

Hence, simple, three-word slogans so resonate with them.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-ser...uts-ian-brodie


I guess if you like what Trump is doing but want it to happen faster with less oversight, vote Conservative? And yes, these leopards will absolutely eat your face, so don't go thinking whatever you are getting from the government is safe.

Again, this stuff is straight out of the fascist playbook, but apparently pointing that out makes you an "extreme leftist."

[indes]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-ser...uts-ian-brodie


I guess if you like what Trump is doing but want it to happen faster with less oversight, vote Conservative? And yes, these leopards will absolutely eat your face, so don't go thinking whatever you are getting from the government is safe.

Wow. Nothing like running on "unburdening society" by removing all the checks and balances lol. This is a completely unserious timeline - insert crazy pills gif.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Torture

I just don't understand how people compare PP to Trump, it's not fair!

I’m sure all the posters who were falling over themselves to defend PP from even the vaguest of comparisons just 6 months ago will be here shortly to eat their crow and condemn the “we can do what they’re doing but faster” party.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Hence, simple, three-word slogans so resonate with them.

Simple works on the simple.

I saw some Con advocating for 'streamlining' government, he promised for every new rule or reg put in, theyd take two out.
Sure, sounds great on the face of it...maybe. But what rules are you taking out? Be specific please. The ones for clean water? Or public health? Or conflicts of interest? Which ones?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m sure all the posters who were falling over themselves to defend PP from even the vaguest of comparisons just 6 months ago will be here shortly to eat their crow and condemn the “we can do what they’re doing but faster” party.

100%

If there's one thing that the crowd who claimed we were being alarmist when we called Trump a fascist in 2016, 2020, and 2024, and claimed that the UCP were the only sensible choice for Alberta, etc., have always done, it's holding themselves accountable.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Simple works on the simple.

I saw some Con advocating for 'streamlining' government, he promised for every new rule or reg put in, theyd take two out.
Sure, sounds great on the face of it...maybe. But what rules are you taking out? Be specific please. The ones for clean water? Or public health? Or conflicts of interest? Which ones?

The woke ones, obviously.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Simple works on the simple.

I saw some Con advocating for 'streamlining' government, he promised for every new rule or reg put in, theyd take two out.
Sure, sounds great on the face of it...maybe. But what rules are you taking out? Be specific please. The ones for clean water? Or public health? Or conflicts of interest? Which ones?

Start with woke and work down the list.

Deeply stupid simplistic thinking, unless you think societies get less complex and need less oversight the more time goes on, populations increase, businesses expand in size and number, and technologies become more complex.

Anyone dumb enough to fall for that pitch should not be voting, let alone running government.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by rubecube

100%

If there's one thing that the crowd who claimed we were being alarmist when we called Trump a fascist in 2016, 2020, and 2024, and claimed that the UCP were the only sensible choice for Alberta, etc., have always done, it's holding themselves accountable.

The last 6 months or so of 2024 really provided us with some absolute gems. Nice to see a couple of poster, even if they haven’t apologized, come back down to earth and join everyone in witnessing the observable reality around us.

Still, so many with such confidence once, yet now quiet as a mouse. What a shame.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-ser...uts-ian-brodie


I guess if you like what Trump is doing but want it to happen faster with less oversight, vote Conservative? And yes, these leopards will absolutely eat your face, so don't go thinking whatever you are getting from the government is safe.

I'd be interested in knowing how Carney's policies differ with respect to this article because one of his policies is to spend less. He says the government is spending too much and talks about how there is 9% spending growth YOY and 4o% headcount growth over the last decade. He wants to "rein in wasteful and ineffective government spending" and "now is the time for a more efficient and effective government." This all sounds like code for reducing the public service and cutting jobs. Is this of concern or is only concerning if Pierre starts cutting jobs within the government?

[Torture]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'd be interested in knowing how Carney's policies differ with respect to this article because one of his policies is to spend less. He says the government is spending too much and talks about how there is 9% spending growth YOY and 4o% headcount growth over the last decade. He wants to "rein in wasteful and ineffective government spending" and "now is the time for a more efficient and effective government." This all sounds like code for reducing the public service and cutting jobs. Is this of concern or is only concerning if Pierre starts cutting jobs within the government?

You don't see a difference between "rein in wasteful and ineffective spending" and "we can move even faster than DOGE"?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'd be interested in knowing how Carney's policies differ with respect to this article because one of his policies is to spend less. He says the government is spending too much and talks about how there is 9% spending growth YOY and 4o% headcount growth over the last decade. He wants to "rein in wasteful and ineffective government spending" and "now is the time for a more efficient and effective government." This all sounds like code for reducing the public service and cutting jobs. Is this of concern or is only concerning if Pierre starts cutting jobs within the government?

What? Did you read what he said? The issue isn't that the party wants to make cuts in lean times. The issue is this former Harper advisor's talking about just straight burning the public sector to the ground and doing so by cutting the head off the snake and letting it flop around until its death spasms stop.

[puffnstuff]

Well pp spends a lot of public money, Carney could start there.