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[Finger Cookin]

Maybe don't give a second thought to the fans when picking your lineup tonight. What a stupid topic of discussion.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is this sarcasm? Because Mike Gould's takes on Twitter were absolutely awful.

"Intellectual dishonesty"? Are you kidding, Mike?

And not one player that projects as a 1st liner in 5 years? That's a tough one. Coronato does, IMO. Zary could be. Any of: Honzek, Gridin, Suniev, Basha and Battaglia have a chance - it's a long shot for each, but that's how progression works, and why you want multiple picks, because 5 longshots is much better than one.

To adamantly proclaim that they have 'not one' is a bad take. Bold, I'll give him that. But also bad.

Not speaking about Scorp specifically but I just understand this need to be intellectually superior to hockey management and coaches when you don't have all the information.

I saw fans that don't agree called shills.

Intellectual dishonesty?

Wanting Parekh to play is fine. Thinking not playing him makes the team and fans that think differently somehow below you intelligence is way over the top.

People need to grow up.

Such is social media I suppose.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is this sarcasm? Because Mike Gould's takes on Twitter were absolutely awful.

"Intellectual dishonesty"? Are you kidding, Mike?

And not one player that projects as a 1st liner in 5 years? That's a tough one. Coronato does, IMO. Zary could be. Any of: Honzek, Gridin, Suniev, Basha and Battaglia have a chance - it's a long shot for each, but that's how progression works, and why you want multiple picks, because 5 longshots is much better than one.

To adamantly proclaim that they have 'not one' is a bad take. Bold, I'll give him that. But also bad.

I think you're splitting hairs here. I mean sure several forwards have the chance to become 60 point players, which technically puts them in the top 96 forwards in the league. I think that Scorp meant there's no Iginla, no Gaudreau, and no Tkachuk level prospect among the forward group ATM. At least no one with that sort of hype.

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Coronato could very well have a similar career to Cammalleri or Toffoli, which is a pretty decent production. I have to squint pretty hard to project him as more than that, but it will be interesting to see him progress.

Both Zary and Frost look like players that generate their own offense, so I have a hard time projecting them as well. I would be pretty happy if either of them becomes a good 2nd line C.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Not to pick on Scorp too much here but what does intellectual dishonest even mean in this context? What are they being dishonest about? Are the flames management burying their heads in the sand about the team’s ability to compete? Do we really think zayne is gonna be the difference between making the playoffs and not?

[Pekkerhead]

I really hate it when people arbitrarily decide draft picks will never be first liners. Kucherov, Point and many others are proof that we don’t know how draft picks will turn out. Not to mention that Coronato is pretty close to a first liner already.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Not to pick on Scorp too much here but what does intellectual dishonest even mean in this context? What are they being dishonest about? Are the flames management burying their heads in the sand about the team’s ability to compete? Do we really think zayne is gonna be the difference between making the playoffs and not?

I think in this sense it's actually assessing their real playoff chances when that tweet happened on Friday.

A lot does and still does need to happen for the Flames to make the playoffs and it was a sub 10% chance.

So in terms of "intellectual honesty" I think it more thinking that why wait until they are officially eliminated to play the kid, and then maybe he only gets in a single game against teams that are already clinched and have little to play for.

If what everyone says is true, and a big part of keeping a competitive culture and playing in big games is true, then wouldn't playing Parekh in these games be part of the plan?

If it's important for Coronato, Zary, Wolf, etc to play in important games at the end of the season as part of their development, then why isn't it equally important for Parekh.

TBH I actually get why they didn't throw Parekh in against the Wild for his first game thats a tough first game, but I also think they should have played him in the Anaheim game on Wednesday night and see how it went.

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think you're splitting hairs here. I mean sure several forwards have the chance to become 60 point players, which technically puts them in the top 96 forwards in the league. I think that Scorp meant there's no Iginla, no Gaudreau, and no Tkachuk level prospect among the forward group ATM. At least no one with that sort of hype.

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Coronato could very well have a similar career to Cammalleri or Toffoli, which is a pretty decent production. I have to squint pretty hard to project him as more than that, but it will be interesting to see him progress.

Both Zary and Frost look like players that generate their own offense, so I have a hard time projecting them as well. I would be pretty happy if either of them becomes a good 2nd line C.

Scorp and I had a long discussion about this because I told him it was a bad take. And yeah your take on this is more what Scorp meant.

By definition of "first liner" (ie. 96 first line forwards) the Flames have some guys that protect to potentially fit that bill.

But what the Flames don't have is a guy who projects to all-star / superstar type of level (ie top 40 forwards in the league) and that's more what Scorp meant.

[Saqe]

Is Zayne playing?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is this sarcasm? Because Mike Gould's takes on Twitter were absolutely awful.

"Intellectual dishonesty"? Are you kidding, Mike?

And not one player that projects as a 1st liner in 5 years? That's a tough one. Coronato does, IMO. Zary could be. Any of: Honzek, Gridin, Suniev, Basha and Battaglia have a chance - it's a long shot for each, but that's how progression works, and why you want multiple picks, because 5 longshots is much better than one.

To adamantly proclaim that they have 'not one' is a bad take. Bold, I'll give him that. But also bad.

I don't think he's wrong. I think he's looking at thing from a cup contender perspective, neither Coronato or Zary are top line material. Just look at the past winners.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is this sarcasm? Because Mike Gould's takes on Twitter were absolutely awful.

"Intellectual dishonesty"? Are you kidding, Mike?

And not one player that projects as a 1st liner in 5 years? That's a tough one. Coronato does, IMO. Zary could be. Any of: Honzek, Gridin, Suniev, Basha and Battaglia have a chance - it's a long shot for each, but that's how progression works, and why you want multiple picks, because 5 longshots is much better than one.

To adamantly proclaim that they have 'not one' is a bad take. Bold, I'll give him that. But also bad.

No wonder Paulie likes it...

Seems click baity, especially with the timing

[browna]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Nice twitter thread by Darren Haynes in the Parekh thread.

Here's an excerpt:


People that think Parekh should play because other players have should read it.

Let’s also add that Makar debuted 6 years ago; a lot has changed in the NHL in that time too, for speed and strength, again touching on Haynes age difference and developmental age differences.

[topfiverecords]

Makar also had the Flames as an opponent. Parekh would not get that.

[keratosis]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Re: the Rooney and the PK.

Fans complain about unproductive players like Rooney. But preventing goals on the PK is just as important as scoring goals on the PP. We recognize the value of PP specialists on the roster, so why shouldn’t we recognize the value of PK specialists?

Because there are 2 bandwagons, the Flames suck bandwagon and the Go Flames Go bandwagon.

[dino7c]

Surely fans of a franchise with Iggy, Theo, Gaudreau, Neiwy, Kipper, Wolf, ect. can realize you dont need to be a top 10 pick to be a star

[Rhett44]

The funny thing about people getting so angry about Mike Gould's takes is he is probably right (imo). I definitely don't see Zary or Coronato as anything more than good 2nd liners. I can't speak about the prospects because I haven't seen enough of them.

But it's funny some people get so wound up when they don't share the same opinion. Pinder and Rhett Warrener have been saying the same thing.

I would certainly trust these hockey experts opinions over a random Flames Homer on a message board. But again, these are opinions and one of the players could certainly surprise us.

The fact remains though that we need help at forward. We have next to no 1st line scoring talent at forward.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Excited for this game on my birthday. Hoping for a 8-3 win haha

The future looks bright regardless of not landing a top 10 pick. Wolf, Parekh, Coronato, Zary, Bahl is a great start to the rebuild (or whatever we are calling it) not to mention a lot of exciting prospects and future picks.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Is Zayne playing?

After the team's response on Friday I doubt they make any changes.

I wouldn't expect him to make his debut until Thursday at the earliest. And if he doesn't then oh well. Having to wait until next season isn't going to ruin him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

The funny thing about people getting so angry about Mike Gould's takes is he is probably right (imo). I definitely don't see Zary or Coronato as anything more than good 2nd liners. I can't speak about the prospects because I haven't seen enough of them.

But it's funny some people get so wound up when they don't share the same opinion. Pinder and Rhett Warrener have been saying the same thing.

I would certainly trust these hockey experts opinions over a random Flames Homers on a message board. But again, these are opinions and one of the players could certainly surprise us.

The fact remains though that we need help at forward. We have next to no 1st line scoring talent at forward.

"Hockey experts" that picked the Flames bottom 5?

You love opinions, especially those that match your own...call everyone else homers

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

The funny thing about people getting so angry about Mike Gould's takes is he is probably right (imo). I definitely don't see Zary or Coronato as anything more than good 2nd liners. I can't speak about the prospects because I haven't seen enough of them.

But it's funny some people get so wound up when they don't share the same opinion. Pinder and Rhett Warrener have been saying the same thing.

I would certainly trust these hockey experts opinions over a random Flames Homer on a message board. But again, these are opinions and one of the players could certainly surprise us.

The fact remains though that we need help at forward. We have next to no 1st line scoring talent at forward.

Personally I'm good with whatever take. That's what following hockey is about.

The Flames don't have any first line players as an opinion is fine.

It's the labeling those that disagree with you as dishonest or a shill or insane that gets me.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Personally I'm good with whatever take. That's what following hockey is about.

The Flames don't have any first line players as an opinion is fine.

It's the labeling those that disagree with you as dishonest or a shill or insane that gets me.

People are certainly wrong sometimes. No one projected Johnny Hockey as an elite player when we drafted him. And yet he became one of the top wingers in the league.

It is much easier to get elite talent at the top of the draft, but there are always exceptions.

[SemicolonD]

For this year I’d argue Kadri has played at a bonafide 1st liner level, but ya who knows how long that lasts due to his age.

I mean we all knew going into the season the Flames needed more high picks, and really need a bottom 5 to potentially pick up that franchise C.

The fact the Flames have worked hard and kept us in a playoff race this long with the emergence of Wolf as a 50+ game rookie year franchise level goalie is huge. Not to mention the steps Coronato and Zary have taken.

So we sacrifice a year of the rebuild with Wolf’s amazing year and the Vets still having juice in them like Kadri and Huby. It doesn’t mean we can’t get that top 5, top 10 pick next year.