[PGT] Flames lose 4-3 in OT

[dino7c]

And? its a business...to make money. That is why the NHL exists

Did anyone else step up to buy the Flames and pay for a new arena?

[Paulie Walnuts]

If he was selling the Flames someone would have. But he scammed the citizens for a free arena and will charge them extra to come watch a team he won't allow a GM to build.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Does Edwards think different now? We will see this summer, can't give a snake like him any credit until we see something different.

Just with the cap savings, he is pocketing the savings along with all those expansion fees. Needed a free arena

We just saw something different.

He spent to the cap and chased the playoffs for years on end.

Last year they left $20M on the table and didn't add at the deadline in a playoff spot, with extra draft capital.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If he was selling the Flames someone would have. But he scammed the citizens for a free arena and will charge them extra to come watch a team he won't allow a GM to build.

Why would you root for a team that you feel this way about?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why would you root for a team that you feel this way about?

So he can argue with us and say I told you so obviously

fun life

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why would you root for a team that you feel this way about?

He is stating a fact...because someone roots for the team, they can't state a fact?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I should have said missing the playoffs and losing OUR first rounder was a fumble on his part. It still wasn’t a pick swap as you said because we did not receive a pick.

Conroy didn't trade that pick away. That was part of the mess he inherited when he took the job.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by redmile04

He is stating a fact...because someone roots for the team, they can't state a fact?

Well i don't know that he's stating "facts".
But even then I didn't say anything about what he can or can't say did I?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by redmile04

He is stating a fact...because someone roots for the team, they can't state a fact?

Its not a fact though...Flames were in a playoff spot, spent none of the 20M in cap space, and kept 2 firsts.
Something isn't a fact just because the same people say it 20 times over


Not to mention the question was why be a fan of something you obviously hate so much, like get a life its a dumb kids game.


The same posters that said this was the worst team in the league at the start of the year are now mad because the same ol' Flames put too good of a team on the ice, like you can't make this stuff up.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not to mention the question was why be a fan of something you obviously hate so much, like get a life its a dumb kids game.

Technically it's a dumb college guys' game. The first formal rules were drawn up by a bunch of McGill students so they would have something to do in January other than be bored, bored, bored. Kids started playing later because they looked up to the college guys.

The same posters that said this was the worst team in the league at the start of the year are now mad because the same ol' Flames put too good of a team on the ice, like you can't make this stuff up.

They kan haz sadz because mean old Daddy Edwards took away the shiny new pony they expected from this year's #1 overall draft pick.

I almost think some fans believe the name of the game is ‘NHL draft’, and the object is to lose as often as possible so you get to pick the 18-year-old with the most hype. Then, that kid starts helping you win hockey games (whatever those are) and keeps you from doing the same thing again, just because he's a poopyhead and doesn't want the fans to have fun.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If all he cared about is money I assure you there are easier ways to make it than an NHL team

I know I sounds like a broken record on this, but...he's made TONS of money off the Flames.

I'm not doing all of the math again, but considering the Flames' original purchase price, even adjusted for inflation versus their current value not even considering the increased value from a new arena, it is massive.

Furthermore, the Flames essentially pay for themselves. Their operating revenue largely covers their operating costs, some years profits, some years losses, but it basically covers itself.

In the meantime you have a massively valuable asset that can be borrowed against for other business endeavours if you want.

Its not just a toy.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not doing all of the math again, but considering the Flames' original purchase price, even adjusted for inflation versus their current value not even considering the increased value from a new arena, it is massive.

Edwards didn't get in at the original purchase price. He was one of the group of owners who came on board at a much higher price in the mid-1990s… and then had to pay up repeated cash calls for the next decade, as the team was losing money regularly until the 2004 run and the salary cap rescued the business.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know I sounds like a broken record on this, but...he's made TONS of money off the Flames.

I'm not doing all of the math again, but considering the Flames' original purchase price, even adjusted for inflation versus their current value not even considering the increased value from a new arena, it is massive.

Furthermore, the Flames essentially pay for themselves. Their operating revenue largely covers their operating costs, some years profits, some years losses, but it basically covers itself.

In the meantime you have a massively valuable asset that can be borrowed against for other business endeavours if you want.

Its not just a toy.

Never said he made no money, just that he could have bought Sinclair or Imperial Oil stock and done better while doing nothing and not having fans call him out daily for...saving a canadian hockey franchise.

And I'm perfectly fine with him making money...none of this NHL stuff we enjoy exists without it. ITS A BUSINESS.

He isn't trying to fill his pockets at all costs though, there are easier ways to do that. Blaming the owner is the ultimate fan cop out in most cases, certainly the case in Calgary. Like anyone was building a private arena here come on now.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Conroy didn't trade that pick away. That was part of the mess he inherited when he took the job.

Yep I’m aware of that, my issue was with how Conroy didn’t make any moves at the deadline to make this team either better (to make the playoffs) or worse (to avoid losing the flames first round pick). My preference would have been to sell assets (Andersson, Vladar if possible, Kadri if he’d waive) and try to keep our pick and lose floridas.

Conroy inherited this mess, sure, but he didnt do anything to solve it at the deadline.

[dino7c]

Vancouver has said they couldn't get a first for Boeser...who is actually a UFA

outside of Brad's boner for a couple players the prices weren't even very good. 2nd for Marchand

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Yep I’m aware of that, my issue was with how Conroy didn’t make any moves at the deadline to make this team either better (to make the playoffs) or worse (to avoid losing the flames first round pick). My preference would have been to sell assets (Andersson, Vladar if possible, Kadri if he’d waive) and try to keep our pick and lose floridas.

Conroy inherited this mess, sure, but he didnt do anything to solve it at the deadline.

What he did at the deadline was absolutely correct. He couldn't improve the team without giving up futures at the worst possible price. He didn't want to sell key players for futures because the team was actually in a playoff spot, and had earned the chance to see if they could stay there.

You don't solve a team's problems at the deadline. If you're clearly out of it, you can add a few assets by selling players on expiring contracts. If you're clearly in it, you can improve your chances – slightly – by buying those players. If you're right in the middle, the smart move is to stand pat, unless you have a key injury and need to fill a specific hole.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Never said he made no money, just that he could have bought Sinclair or Imperial Oil stock and done better while doing nothing and not having fans call him out daily for...saving a canadian hockey franchise.

And I'm perfectly fine with him making money...none of this NHL stuff we enjoy exists without it. ITS A BUSINESS.

He isn't trying to fill his pockets at all costs though, there are easier ways to do that. Blaming the owner is the ultimate fan cop out in most cases, certainly the case in Calgary. Like anyone was building a private arena here come on now.

Yes, and you're absolutely right. However, he could also buy the Calgary Flames and use it as an asset to borrow against and still buy Sinclair or Imperial Oil stock.

Similar to how a homeowner uses a HELOC to invest except on a much grander scale and the house essentially pays for itself.

As for the opinions of fans? I get the impression that doesn't overly concern him.

[dino7c]

And the other reason they are likely to miss is the 10th place team won 12 straight...something they haven't done in history (a team from the 60s)

It was a bad beat, you almost have to laugh

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yes, and you're absolutely right. However, he could also buy the Calgary Flames and use it as an asset to borrow against and still buy Sinclair or Imperial Oil stock.

But much less of it, because you can't borrow 100% of the value of the team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yes, and you're absolutely right. However, he could also buy the Calgary Flames and use it as an asset to borrow against and still buy Sinclair or Imperial Oil stock.

Similar to how a homeowner uses a HELOC to invest except on a much grander scale and the house essentially pays for itself.

As for the opinions of fans? I get the impression that doesn't overly concern him.

Good for him...I would have told the ahole fans to pound sand years ago and sold the team. There is a million things you could buy and leverage that don't talk back in the media or online haha.

I'm not saying the guy runs a charity, nor should he but if he was the uncle scrooge some of you think there are far easier ways to pad your pockets. I also don't think this NHL thing is gonna grow forever...kids don't care like we used to.