Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Muta

I wish I got a matching 3% annual inflation raise in the private sector, let alone an actual, annual performance-related raise.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

maybe grab your boot straps..........

If the strap on thing doesn’t work out I have a different suggestion…

[Muta]

Geezus christ fellas, at least buy me dinner first

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Muta

Geezus christ fellas, at least buy me dinner first

That's not the kind of world we live in anymore.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Muta

Geezus christ fellas, at least buy me dinner first

3% and a dinner? Not in this economy

[GGG]

Originally Posted by belsarius

They talk about that methodology ..



I think the other thing to consider is that there were a variety of reasons a wage will rise, especially over a long enough time period. The average salary in 1997 for all workers has outpaced inflation in Alberta for the past 25 years. The boom in the early 2000s forced wages a lot higher for all people, regardless of their industry. You could argue that using a 1997 base ignores the market implications. Consider the minimum wage was only $5 in 1997, accounting for inflation alone means it should only be $9.46.

It certainly is cherry picking the time when teachers wages were the highest relative to inflation. I think that even there we didn’t Cherry pick data statement ends right after the wage ramp ups from the lows of the post Klein cuts and into Klein spending phases. Essentially the Alberta boom period is not a reasonable time to compare anyone’s salary to on a post 2015 basis.

Really this should be demand based Are we having issues filling positions and it sounds like we are getting to that point so wages today seem to be roughly appropriate to supply demand.

Another way of looking at it would be that inflation from when the 2020 contract was signed to 2024 was 15.5% or 3.7% per year so a 3.7% increase per year over last year and the following 3 years would be a reasonable backwards looking tool to maintain the purchasing power at the start of the previous collective agreement.

[Mr.Coffee]

Why don’t they just pick an agreeable rate and then tie to CPI to avoid the inflation nonsense?

[CliffFletcher]

My kids will be out of the CBE next school year, so I don’t have a dog in the fight. But teachers will not get much support from parents if they strike. There’s still a lot of unhappiness from the loss of learning during Covid. The provincial government will order teachers back to work in short order, and it will be a politically popular move.

[Harry Lime]

The most popular move that they could do would be to follow BC and put a cap on class sizes. Helps everybody.

Remember, if you will, that the goblin that is currently dismantling the health care system was put in charge of the education system before that, with the same mandate of destruction.

I have very little faith in the UCP to do anything here that will help teachers, parents or children. Whatever it will end up being will help private schools, the truancy arm of the UCP police corps, and the industry being built around the hunting of endangered species (somehow).

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

My kids will be out of the CBE next school year, so I don’t have a dog in the fight. But teachers will not get much support from parents if they strike. There’s still a lot of unhappiness from the loss of learning during Covid. The provincial government will order teachers back to work in short order, and it will be a politically popular move.

People can care about working conditions for teachers without having kids in the CBE, but don’t and this is exactly what I’m talking about. The public doesn’t care if it’s not a visible issue to them, especially regarding salary. Then they get upset when a strike happens because it suddenly affects them.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The most popular move that they could do would be to follow BC and put a cap on class sizes. Helps everybody.

Remember, if you will, that the goblin that is currently dismantling the health care system was put in charge of the education system before that, with the same mandate of destruction.

I have very little faith in the UCP to do anything here that will help teachers, parents or children. Whatever it will end up being will help private schools, the truancy arm of the UCP police corps, and the industry being built around the hunting of endangered species (somehow).

They need some uneducated rubes to mine the coal

[Canadianman]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

My kids will be out of the CBE next school year, so I don’t have a dog in the fight. But teachers will not get much support from parents if they strike. There’s still a lot of unhappiness from the loss of learning during Covid. The provincial government will order teachers back to work in short order, and it will be a politically popular move.

This just in, right wing guy thinks everyone thinks like him.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

My kids will be out of the CBE next school year, so I don’t have a dog in the fight. But teachers will not get much support from parents if they strike. There’s still a lot of unhappiness from the loss of learning during Covid. The provincial government will order teachers back to work in short order, and it will be a politically popular move.

Your give a #### about education goes away once your kids graduate? What kind of myopic #### is that?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

This just in, right wing guy thinks everyone thinks like him.

Haha, this is awesome because I am in the exact same position as Cliff, and have the same view. But the reason I think it's funny is that I don't think Cliff is right-wing at all (and neither am I).

[Fuzz]

I don't even have kids, but I still care that we have a quality education system in this province, and teachers are treated fairly.

[Drak]

There’s a lack of empathy on the right. But quality education is pretty important for the future of the country.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Your give a #### about education goes away once your kids graduate? What kind of myopic #### is that?

“Dog is the fight” in terms of being directly affected by a strike (ie needing to find full-time childcare at short notice).

I care about public education. That doesn’t mean I always side with teachers. They’re looking out for their own interests (as we should expect them to) but those interests don’t always align with the interests of students. We saw that during Covid.

Do you care about the proven long-term learning loss from disruptions of only a few weeks? Or about the harm done to vulnerable children when they don’t have a safe place to go every day? There’s a reason child welfare advocates were pleading with school boards to keep schools open during Covid.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Drak

There’s a lack of empathy on the right. But quality education is pretty important for the future of the country.

If you care about education and child welfare, you should take 15 minutes out of your life to google and learn about the long-term effects of school disruptions. I’d link to the hosts of studies around the globe that have been done on this, but I’m kinda busy this morning. Maybe later.

[Drak]

When Covid first hit it was very serious. Millions of people died. We didn’t know what we were dealing with. Closing down schools at the time to protect society was the right thing to do.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If you care about education and child welfare, you should take 15 minutes out of your life to google and learn about the long-term effects of school disruptions. I’d link to the hosts of studies around the globe that have been done on this, but I’m kinda busy this morning. Maybe later.

A few weeks of disruption or what happened once in a life time with Covid isn’t comparable to long term results of offering sub quality education.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by 5abi

No way should that raise be fine, plus it's an effective 12.5%, nurses just agreed to 20% plus. They got more then that in the first year.

If Alberta wants to be number one they got to compete with number one and that's Manitoba which will max out at 125K.

Since when the #### is Manitoba number one at anything? I don't like it.