The Tariff Thread

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Drak

Our sovereignty is very much at stake. Nothing has changed.

Nah, otherwise tanker ban would be in jeopardy. Unless Carney’s lying, I guess, or has some other plan for export capacity to match projected growth by end 2026. Otherwise it’s bottlenecks and rail cars and clusterF. And that’s setting aside the threat of refusing to sell the Americans oil at all and exporting all of it altogether, which is the real trade leverage.

Tanker ban applies north tip of Van island to Alaska so I guess theoretically you could try to build something south of that (good luck lol). Quebec won’t let you through and Churchill is a super long shot.

So not sure I buy the sovereignty threat or unlikely Carney would have said what he did. Try to twin / or build off TMX you need Vancouver port expansions, they won’t let that happen.

[Mathgod]

On April 2, 2025, President Donald J Trump heroically and patriotically liberated the American people... from their retirement savings and pensions.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

With an epic trade war happening between China and the US this is a big opportunity for Canada and China to try and resolve past differences and work out a beneficial trade agreement. Also of course with other countries as well. The world needs to isolate US products period.

For a start: Tesla out, BYD in. I'd buy one of those cheap Seagull hatchbacks to zip around in.



On the whole, I'm much happier with these global tariffs since it makes Canada and Mexico less isolated. If everyone is equally pissed off, we can all work together to trade among ourselves and mitigate the impact of the US going full moron. By doing so it also makes the US feel the pain more keenly, which is critical if there's any hope to bringing this clown show to an early end before their economy and their democracy are wiped out.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Nancy

China says it will 'fight to the end' after Trump threatens 50% additional tariffs

But Zelenskyy is the one gambling with World War 3, amirite?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Nah, otherwise tanker ban would be in jeopardy. Unless Carney’s lying, I guess, or has some other plan for export capacity to match projected growth by end 2026. Otherwise it’s bottlenecks and rail cars and clusterF. And that’s setting aside the threat of refusing to sell the Americans oil at all and exporting all of it altogether, which is the real trade leverage.

Tanker ban applies north tip of Van island to Alaska so I guess theoretically you could try to build something south of that (good luck lol). Quebec won’t let you through and Churchill is a super long shot.

So not sure I buy the sovereignty threat or unlikely Carney would have said what he did. Try to twin / or build off TMX you need Vancouver port expansions, they won’t let that happen.

There is already a oil shipping terminal on Burrard inlet, it can handle 63,000 bpd so not huge but likely could be expanded

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

But Zelenskyy is the one gambling with World War 3, amirite?

Everything with Trump is projection.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

For a start: Tesla out, BYD in. I'd buy one of those cheap Seagull hatchbacks to zip around in.



On the whole, I'm much happier with these global tariffs since it makes Canada and Mexico less isolated. If everyone is equally pissed off, we can all work together to trade among ourselves and mitigate the impact of the US going full moron. By doing so it also makes the US feel the pain more keenly, which is critical if there's any hope to bringing this clown show to an early end before their economy and their democracy are wiped out.

From a selfishly Alberta perspective it’s the global tariffs tanking the price of oil which is what drives our standard of living. Ontario was getting ####ed with the Canada Tarriffs but Alberta would have been okay. The global depression is not going to do nice things for oil.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There is already a oil shipping terminal on Burrard inlet, it can handle 63,000 bpd so not huge but likely could be expanded

Not sure what you are referring to, their is the terminus of the TMX pipeline, the Westridge Marine Terminal, that can do 630,000 bpd. I'm not aware of any other in Burrard inlet. But the likelihood of that getting expanded is slim, considering the amount of tanker traffic already. Plus, you know, needing another TMX to feed it.


There just aren't any good options.

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Nah, otherwise tanker ban would be in jeopardy. Unless Carney’s lying, I guess, or has some other plan for export capacity to match projected growth by end 2026. Otherwise it’s bottlenecks and rail cars and clusterF. And that’s setting aside the threat of refusing to sell the Americans oil at all and exporting all of it altogether, which is the real trade leverage.

Tanker ban applies north tip of Van island to Alaska so I guess theoretically you could try to build something south of that (good luck lol). Quebec won’t let you through and Churchill is a super long shot.

So not sure I buy the sovereignty threat or unlikely Carney would have said what he did. Try to twin / or build off TMX you need Vancouver port expansions, they won’t let that happen.

Carney is learning to talk like a politician. He didn’t say the tanker bans are on or off, he said they need to be revisited.
He needs the mandate to say more.

[Firebot]

So much winning

https://biz.chosun.com/en/en-interna...LELI2S4FNKGLI/

On the 8th, the account 'Nutanchin,' operated by the Chinese state news agency Xinhua, reported that it had heard several updates regarding specific tariff retaliation measures against the U.S. and that 'China has prepared at least six options.'

The first measure is to significantly increase tariffs on U.S. agricultural products such as soybeans and sorghum. Additionally, imports of U.S. chicken may also be completely banned. Nutanchin quoted sources saying, 'As bird flu has frequently occurred in the U.S., officials strongly advised China to ban imports of U.S. poultry to ensure food safety for the Chinese people.'

Additionally, the cessation of cooperation with the U.S. regarding the synthetic drug 'fentanyl' has also been mentioned. Trump had imposed a 20% retaliatory tariff after taking office in January, urging China to crack down on the production of the painkiller 'fentanyl.' Nutanchin stated, 'The U.S. has completely ignored China's humanitarian assistance, failing to understand China's goodwill while slandering, blaming, and shifting responsibility in various ways, seriously undermining the foundation of U.S.-China cooperation on fentanyl.'

Furthermore, Nutanchin noted that the participation of U.S. corporations in the service sector may be restricted, and business collaborations such as legal consulting may also be limited. Additionally, there are considerations to ban imports of U.S. films and to investigate situations where some U.S. companies enjoying substantial monopoly profits in China are acquiring intellectual property rights.

Apparently China has some cards.

[Fuzz]

They should nationalize the Tesla factory.

[5abi]

$TSLA - ELON MUSK: NAVARRO IS TRULY A MORON

Musk responded after Navarro yesterday called Tesla a "car assembler."

In the spirit of not linking to twitter, we can see the Musk-Trump Admin relationship breaking down.

We've already had a few billionaires speak up - I think Trump's going to have to capitulate soonish.

[Firebot]

The market is acting as if the tariffs tomorrow are not going to happen or be paused, because of deal discussions with countries like Japan.

Musk has been pushing hard against the tariffs, there's some very strong pressure on Trump to remove the tariffs but this is like his dream as a child to tariff the world.

Frankly this whole thing is utterly ridiculous, the world sitting around to see whether a 78 year old man sees his shadow and hides in his hole.

[getbak]

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[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by GGG

From a selfishly Alberta perspective it’s the global tariffs tanking the price of oil which is what drives our standard of living. Ontario was getting ####ed with the Canada Tarriffs but Alberta would have been okay. The global depression is not going to do nice things for oil.

It won't, but again I think it's significant the damage is broad rather than tailored. If only some targeted groups feel the pain the groups that avoided it are less motivated to help or effect change. It's divide and conquer. But if everybody feels the pain, they team up, which is the only way to stop what's happening in the US both economically and socially.

Its basically the opposite of the famous Niemoller poem. If they just come for the Communists first, no one speaks up and they continue to whittle around the edges before striking the exposed heart of the society. If they come for everyone all at once, everyone has a chance and motivation to gang up and stop things at an early stage.

These type of attacks rely on selfishness to work: if every group only protects its own interests they can be systematically picked apart.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

But Zelenskyy is the one gambling with World War 3, amirite?

Gotta think China is now closer than ever to invading Taiwan. I mean, they already have economic sanctions on them so what do they have to lose?

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Gotta think China is now closer than ever to invading Taiwan. I mean, they already have economic sanctions on them so what do they have to lose?

If everyone is against the U.S. though, they could position themselves diplomatically as the world trading partner and market of choice if they play their cards right.

Invading Taiwan probably throws that out the window.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The market is acting as if the tariffs tomorrow are not going to happen or be paused, because of deal discussions with countries like Japan.

Musk has been pushing hard against the tariffs, there's some very strong pressure on Trump to remove the tariffs but this is like his dream as a child to tariff the world.

Frankly this whole thing is utterly ridiculous, the world sitting around to see whether a 78 year old man sees his shadow and hides in his hole.

Yet another one month delay for “negotiations “?

[Nancy]

Another spicy day on the markets. Tesla was up by something like 6% at one point and is now flirting with red.

Musk Slams Trump Trade Adviser Peter Navarro Over Tariffs: ‘Truly A Moron’

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not sure what you are referring to, their is the terminus of the TMX pipeline, the Westridge Marine Terminal, that can do 630,000 bpd. I'm not aware of any other in Burrard inlet. But the likelihood of that getting expanded is slim, considering the amount of tanker traffic already. Plus, you know, needing another TMX to feed it.


There just aren't any good options.

sorry missed a 0 but yes it was Westridge I was refering to, my best guess would be double up the existing pipeline into the Fraser Valley then instead of crossing into the US at Sumas run it down to the Coal terminal in Ladner, turn that into a vast shipping point, politically difficult but my guess is not impossible now since Trump