Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[MrButtons]

Haven't seen this posted yet https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...stop-1.7503621

Carney said there's been a national effort to convince Americans to change policies like tariffs, including Ontario Premier Doug Ford addressing the conservative Fox News network.

"We're sending Doug Ford on to Fox News, to show them we're not messing around up here. And we're going to send Danielle next, we're — well maybe we won't send Danielle," he said, with a grimace. "That was a bad idea."

He later joked, when his microphone cut out just as he was discussing clean energy, that "that was Danielle."

If you go to r/alberta or r/canada for the most part it's people laughing at the comments. r/wildrose is very unhappy.

Maybe he doesn't like strong women

Another liberal A-hole

My personal favourite:

Not even elected and already trying his best to divide canada.

if this guy wins alberta is leaving Canada

[Sol]

I would like to know what everyone who thinks Canada's debt is out of control thinks of America's debt. As a percentage of GDP, Canada's debt level is among the lowest in the G7. Likely kind of shocking if you live in the outrage bubble.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by simmer2

Socialist BC governments have led to BC Provincial debt being downgraded due to record deficits.

Lol. "Socialist BC governments."

Not a serious poster.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

If you go to r/alberta or r/canada for the most part it's people laughing at the comments. r/wildrose is very unhappy.

R/wildrose are pretty sensitive snowflakes...For being a mostly #### your feelings type of crowd

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Lol. "Socialist BC governments."

Not a serious poster.

Someone saw BC Liberal and didn't understand what that means in context. Even the BC NDP are centrist, rather similar to Alberta NDP.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by aaronck

R/wildrose are pretty sensitive snowflakes...For being a mostly #### your feelings type of crowd

Which is on brand for conservatives who like to call Libs "snowflakes"

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The increase in public servants isn't as radical as you suggest when you consider population growth.

Number of employees
357,247 active employees in 2023 (282,980 in 2010)
Represents 0.90% of the Canadian population in 2023 (0.83% in 2010)

https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-bo...vice-2023.html

Most of the federal government debt is a legacy of the pandemic.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...vice-1.7172339

Not to mention, headcount is kind of meaningless on its own. If that growth in employees happened because they replaced expensive contractors with employees, that's probably a net win in terms of spending .

Actual costs are a far more useful measure. And the federal expenditures on goods and services (so excluding transfers, subsidies, interest payments, etc.) is basically as low as it has ever been (expenditures to GDP):

1980: 6.2%
1990: 6.4%
2000: 5.3%
2010: 5.0%
2024: 4.9%

It got slightly lower near the end of Harper's tenure at 4.6%, but that's a pretty minor difference. And we're currently lower than at any other time in the last 60 or so years.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Not to mention, headcount is kind of meaningless on its own. If that growth in employees happened because they replaced expensive contractors with employees, that's probably a net win in terms of spending .

Actual costs are a far more useful measure. And the federal expenditures on goods and services (so excluding transfers, subsidies, interest payments, etc.) is basically as low as it has ever been (expenditures to GDP):

1980: 6.2%
1990: 6.4%
2000: 5.3%
2010: 5.0%
2024: 4.9%

It got slightly lower near the end of Harper's tenure at 4.6%, but that's a pretty minor difference. And we're currently lower than at any other time in the last 60 or so years.

Okay, but then how do you beat up on the Liberals for being bad???

[SebC]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, this isn’t some shocking revelation. Around 30 per cent of Albertans have always blamed everything on Ottawa. It’s true today, it was true 20 years ago, it was true 40 years ago. It’s just part of the culture and upbringing of some Albertans. Current events have very little influence on such ingrained attitudes.

And even that 3 in 10 number is mostly venting. If separation was on the table in a tangible way - lose Canadian citizenship, watch half the companies and hordes of skilled workers leave the province, economic turmoil and uncertainty, the defiance of indigenous groups and legal battles over the lands and resource they have the rights to - few of them would have the stomach to see it through.

Why would Alberta be any different that the UK or Quebec? Separatists don't think about or don't care about such consequences.

[PepsiFree]

Why are conservatives still bothering to pretend the economy is something they care about? It’s been clear since Carney became PM that it’s just some combination of tax cuts, far right social conservatism, and greater alliance with or absorption by the US that’s driving that vote, collateral damage (including the economy) be damned.

I get it, PP has fun slogans and he hates woke. Very cool. But Carney has actually successfully helped several governments and businesses alike navigate serious economic hardship and come out the other side much better than expected. And he’s already reworked and made better the few PP proposals that made any sense, so PP doubled down and came up with a new version that would actively damage Canada’s economy instead of help it… genius stuff!

If you don’t trust the Liberals, fine. If you just hate “woke” and want to pay less taxes regardless of whether it means you pay more for everything else, great for you. Just give up the fake interest in the economy. You don’t care. Everybody knows you don’t care. So let’s just stop pretending.

Conservatives had their shot. They chose the worst possible people like Trump and Smith. Time to accept that maybe what you want is actually terrible for everyone, including yourself, if you’re not too proud, and avoid people having to live with yet another of your idiotic mistakes.

[MrButtons]

Listen to the first 13 minutes at your own risk ft. our boy Preston Manning https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio...allot-election

[Johnny Makarov]

I don't give an eff if you are sitting down or standing up, or if you are a woman or a man or a swine, or an emu.

STFU Danielle Marlaina Smith!

When asked to respond to Carney's comments at a news conference in Edmonton on Monday, Smith said telling her to "sit down and shut up" isn't going to work.

"I don't shut up. I make sure that Albertans know exactly how I feel about issues. And I'm going to continue advocating on behalf of my province, whether he likes it or not," Smith said.

[Amethyst]

As an Albertan, I would also like Danielle Smith to shut up.

As for the federal election, Mark Carney was a big part of Canada making out better than most during the 2008 world recession. Going into a time when the US is threatening our sovereignty and trying to destroy us economically to do so, I'd rather have a smart economist for a PM than a guy who spouts slogans that I mainly disagree with.

I would have voted Liberal regardless, but now I'm excited to do so.

[dammage79]

Another point for Carney vs. Pollievre, if the U.S does spiral into a 1930s style recession, I think I trust Carney more to navigate the entirely new minefield.

I mean at this point as long as trump is Manning the helm I cannot see how they don't spiral into a massive recession.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Haven't seen this posted yet https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...stop-1.7503621




If you go to r/alberta or r/canada for the most part it's people laughing at the comments. r/wildrose is very unhappy.





My personal favourite:

Well Alberta elects an unserious joke, and serious people laugh at her, not surprised.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Haven't seen this posted yet https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...stop-1.7503621




If you go to r/alberta or r/canada for the most part it's people laughing at the comments. r/wildrose is very unhappy.





My personal favourite:

I laughed, but it's bad form to insult other leaders, particularly you already know there is sensitivity with this province. As negative as Smith has been in various statements he shouldn't sink to that level, it will only feed the beast.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I laughed, but it's bad form to insult other leaders, particularly you already know there is sensitivity with this province. As negative as Smith has been in various statements he shouldn't sink to that level, it will only feed the beast.

It’s not a beast, it’s a balloon that fills up on its own hot air. He should keep going until she pops herself.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I laughed, but it's bad form to insult other leaders, particularly you already know there is sensitivity with this province. As negative as Smith has been in various statements he shouldn't sink to that level, it will only feed the beast.

I think it also fuels her support within Alberta. She wins with the US against Canada narrative here and those types of comments fuel it. Quebec would be outraged with that type of comment and we have a separatist government right now. Not treating it as such is dangerous.

[indes]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I laughed, but it's bad form to insult other leaders, particularly you already know there is sensitivity with this province. As negative as Smith has been in various statements he shouldn't sink to that level, it will only feed the beast.

Normally I would agree, however with Trump becoming an absolute anchor for right wing politics, now is the time to tie the rest of the populist degens to him. Let their dear leader sink them all.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I laughed, but it's bad form to insult other leaders, particularly you already know there is sensitivity with this province. As negative as Smith has been in various statements he shouldn't sink to that level, it will only feed the beast.

You're probably right but I kind of like it too.
I like that he has a bit of that take no crap Chretien style to him. A fine line to balance no doubt.