[News] Flames recall Zayne Parekh

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I don't think it'd be wise to put the kid into the top 6 on the bottom pair while the team is still battling for a playoff spot. He was sent down after camp due to his defensive deficiencies and Parekh himself said he was lost on the ice during camp playing with/against bigger, faster NHLers in a new system. I also don't think it'd be good to sit him on the bench during a game and have him jump on only for PPs or OT as he'd be cold.

He seems to be smart as hell and obviously very talented, but I don't think it's fair to slot him in with regular shifts (even if bottom pairing, low minutes) in case he makes a big mistake (and he'll make mistakes) that impacts that game in a serious way (which is likely given how little the Flames score and every goal against is a big one).

Have him practice with the team a ton, and put him into the lineup in round 1 after he's had a bunch of practices under his belt and when the team needs to mix up the bottom pairing!

So, the regular season is too much for him, but the playoffs are ok to throw him in?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I don't think it'd be wise to put the kid into the top 6 on the bottom pair while the team is still battling for a playoff spot. He was sent down after camp due to his defensive deficiencies and Parekh himself said he was lost on the ice during camp playing with/against bigger, faster NHLers in a new system. I also don't think it'd be good to sit him on the bench during a game and have him jump on only for PPs or OT as he'd be cold.

He seems to be smart as hell and obviously very talented, but I don't think it's fair to slot him in with regular shifts (even if bottom pairing, low minutes) in case he makes a big mistake (and he'll make mistakes) that impacts that game in a serious way (which is likely given how little the Flames score and every goal against is a big one).

Have him practice with the team a ton, and put him into the lineup in round 1 after he's had a bunch of practices under his belt and when the team needs to mix up the bottom pairing!

For a 19 year old, 6 months ago is a lifetime

I don't really disagree with your post, just saying that September is irrelevant

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

How about why? Explain yourself.

Hanley isn't a building block but he's formed a pair with Weegar that plays 24 minutes a night.

Logic tells me they're not going to break that up in a playoff chase?

Your logic? Or is your "joke" of a post just a drive by??

I'll play devil's advocate on that one:
1. Hanley likely isn't in the future plans of the team.
2. Weegar has had a revolving door of partners, switching between Miromanov(538mins), Bean(126mins), and Hanley(520mins). Which IMO indicates that the coaches think they could get more out of that pairing depending on the opponent.
2b. Bean - Weegar actually has a better expected goal percentage at 58.7% than Hanley - Weegar at 56.5%. This could indicate that Weegar benefits more from playing with a more mobile partner.
3. A team won't be winning any playoff rounds with Hanley as its #4D.
4. This is a team that struggles to score goals, and Parekh is potentially a force multiplier offensively. A coach would want him over the boards in situations when this team is trailing.
EDIT: 5. The pairings are not written in stone, and can change mid game if Parekh is struggling in a top 4 role.

I have nothing against Hanley, and I respect the guy for all the hard work and cementing the Flames' top 4. I just don't see his spot as untouchable in this playoffs push.

[Skaloper]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'll play devil's advocate on that one:
1. Hanley likely isn't in the future plans of the team.
2. Weegar has had a revolving door of partners, switching between Miromanov(538mins), Bean(126mins), and Hanley(520mins). Which IMO indicates that the coaches think they could get more out of that pairing depending on the opponent.
2b. Bean - Weegar actually has a better expected goal percentage at 58.7% than Hanley - Weegar at 56.5%. This could indicate that Weegar benefits more from playing with a more mobile partner.
3. A team won't be winning any playoff rounds with Hanley as its #4D.
4. This is a team that struggles to score goals, and Parekh is potentially a force multiplier offensively. A coach would want him over the boards in situations when this team is trailing.
EDIT: 5. The pairings are not written in stone, and can change mid game if Parekh is struggling in a top 4 role.

I have nothing against Hanley, and I respect the guy for all the hard work and cementing the Flames' top 4. I just don't see his spot as untouchable in this playoffs push.

Flames really have nothing to lose and as mentioned we could at this point dress an extra d man. I think giving him a shot might be the injection the Flames need, especially on the Powerplay! We can also see how much development another year in Junior has done to address earlier concerns defensively.

[Paulie Walnuts]

When you look at Hughes and Makar, they are paired with the 2nd best offensive dmen on the team not some defensive player. It's a flawed thinking that you create pairs like that. Oh you jump up and I will just sit back, naw the league is all about pushing the pace and creating havoc.

Weegar is our best offensive defenceman and sure he turns it over but so do the best in the league. Makar is paired with Toews. Hughes is paired with Hronek.

Weegar will make mistakes, Parekh will make mistakes, but they will also create a lot of offence and they would become our 2 best skating defenceman on the team immediately.

Having a partner who can cover the entire ice is important, just as much as they give you the outlet to make plays.

[Enoch Root]

But you want a guy that can cover for him, not the leading turnover guy in the NHL.

Plus, Weegar gets 20+ minutes. Parekh would be getting 8

[dammage79]

I like Bahl because he does actually produce points. He's not a pure stay at home shut down d man. He's a good hybrid just coming out of his Bambi legs.

Bahl covers so much territory defensively with his size and stick that he is the perfect compliment to a player of Parekhs nature.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I like Bahl because he does actually produce points. He's not a pure stay at home shut down d man. He's a good hybrid just coming out of his Bambi legs.

Bahl covers so much territory defensively with his size and stick that he is the perfect compliment to a player of Parekhs nature.

Yup, Bahl's perfect. In a year or two.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

I can’t wait until someone takes over that number

It will never happen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Bahl has 18 points and is 48.8 even strength. Bahl covers his side of the ice well. But hey lets force our star prospect into a system, and not try to create a system that he can thrive in.

Come in and play in your own end.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But you want a guy that can cover for him, not the leading turnover guy in the NHL.

Plus, Weegar gets 20+ minutes. Parekh would be getting 8

He won't have the puck on his stick as much. With partners like Hanley, Miromanov, Bean he hsa to do the heavy lifting.

Still has a 55% at EV. He wont get 8 minutes either.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

When you look at Hughes and Makar, they are paired with the 2nd best offensive dmen on the team not some defensive player. It's a flawed thinking that you create pairs like that. Oh you jump up and I will just sit back, naw the league is all about pushing the pace and creating havoc.

Weegar is our best offensive defenceman and sure he turns it over but so do the best in the league. Makar is paired with Toews. Hughes is paired with Hronek.

Weegar will make mistakes, Parekh will make mistakes, but they will also create a lot of offence and they would become our 2 best skating defenceman on the team immediately.

Having a partner who can cover the entire ice is important, just as much as they give you the outlet to make plays.

Keep in mind that Hughes and Makar are the 2 best puck handling defenders in the league. Parekh is 19. Different requirements. When he's a star, he'll be positioned as a star. Right now, he neexs to be positioned like the 19YO nube that he is.

Again, fans and the total lack of patience

[Icon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It will never happen.

I dunno, if we draft Spence or Carboneau this summer and they end up looking like the real deal, do you make them change numbers so they don't wear one that hasn't been (nor likely will be) retired? I think the organization just moves forward.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Keep in mind that Hughes and Makar are the 2 best puck handling defenders in the league. Parekh is 19. Different requirements. When he's a star, he'll be positioned as a star. Right now, he neexs to be positioned like the 19YO nube that he is.

Again, fans and the total lack of patience

I've never seen noob written nube.

Other than that, agreed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Keep in mind that Hughes and Makar are the 2 best puck handling defenders in the league. Parekh is 19. Different requirements. When he's a star, he'll be positioned as a star. Right now, he neexs to be positioned like the 19YO nube that he is.

Again, fans and the total lack of patience

Makar played 17 MPG in the playoffs as a 19YO.

Hughes played 18MPG as a 18YO in 5 games and 21MPG as a YO in his rookie year.

It's not a lack of patience; it's putting players of that caliber in a position to succeed. I guess the Avs and Canucks should have been patient as well.

By your standards Tkachuk and Monny would have been sent back to the OHL and brought along in the AHL.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

For a 19 year old, 6 months ago is a lifetime

I don't really disagree with your post, just saying that September is irrelevant

He wasn’t the best dman in Penticton. I wouldn’t throw him into the fire until the flames are out. With Minnesota beating Dallas that will probably be the case soon.

Once they are out I’d give him a game to get a taste. So he knows where he’s got to get to. From what I saw at the beginning of the season he’d get steamrolled by the bigger stronger players. Unless he’s been hitting the gym and has put on 10-20 lbs

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'll play devil's advocate on that one:
1. Hanley likely isn't in the future plans of the team.
2. Weegar has had a revolving door of partners, switching between Miromanov(538mins), Bean(126mins), and Hanley(520mins). Which IMO indicates that the coaches think they could get more out of that pairing depending on the opponent.
2b. Bean - Weegar actually has a better expected goal percentage at 58.7% than Hanley - Weegar at 56.5%. This could indicate that Weegar benefits more from playing with a more mobile partner.
3. A team won't be winning any playoff rounds with Hanley as its #4D.
4. This is a team that struggles to score goals, and Parekh is potentially a force multiplier offensively. A coach would want him over the boards in situations when this team is trailing.
EDIT: 5. The pairings are not written in stone, and can change mid game if Parekh is struggling in a top 4 role.

I have nothing against Hanley, and I respect the guy for all the hard work and cementing the Flames' top 4. I just don't see his spot as untouchable in this playoffs push.

100% agreed.

Cale Makar made his NHL debut midway through the 1st round of the NHL playoffs. Samuel Girard was in his second season, playing all 82 regular season games, and the first two games vs Calgary but was benched for a better player to come in. This was in the middle of the playoffs.. and some of us are fretting over Joel Hanley? The soon to be 34 year old waiver pick up.

Weeger will be just fine without Hanley. Let's not to the Flames think and overthink stuff and think we have a better grip on the situation with our overcaution.

Play the kid.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Icon

I've never seen noob written nube.

Other than that, agreed.

*newb

As in newbie.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Makar played 17 MPG in the playoffs as a 19YO.

Hughes played 18MPG as a 18YO in 5 games and 21MPG as a YO in his rookie year.

It's not a lack of patience; it's putting players of that caliber in a position to succeed. I guess the Avs and Canucks should have been patient as well.

By your standards Tkachuk and Monny would have been sent back to the OHL and brought along in the AHL.

I'd agree that we need the player to dictate whether he's ready or not, but Makar was roughly 15-18 months older when he started dummying us in the playoffs than ZP is now

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by BigThief

100% agreed.

Cale Makar made his NHL debut midway through the 1st round of the NHL playoffs. Samuel Girard was in his second season, playing all 82 regular season games, and the first two games vs Calgary but was benched for a better player to come in. This was in the middle of the playoffs.. and some of us are fretting over Joel Hanley? The soon to be 34 year old waiver pick up.

Weeger will be just fine without Hanley. Let's not to the Flames think and overthink stuff and think we have a better grip on the situation with our overcaution.

Play the kid.

Apparently, he will get 8 minutes a night.

Fans and being overcautious thinking players need 2-3 years in the minors.

Suniev shouldn't play because he was a 3rd rounder, the ones we are comparing him to are 1st rounders. If it was Parekh he would play.

We can play Parekh, no no no Hanley and Parekh isn't ready because of what happened in Penticton.