Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[RandyHolt]

I think one of the things a lot of people are struggling with in going back to voting for the Liberals is that yes, the landscape has changed and the leadership has changed, but a lot of the rest has stayed the same.

Most of the important cabinet members are still the same (albeit in different roles) and therefore the fear would be that they're saying one thing, but their policies haven't really changed at all. You still have a leader that was very strong on green initiatives which runs counter to oil and gas production, and getting a pipeline built from east to west.

I'm hoping we'll see who Carney plans to put into important roles prior to the election but I'm not sure that we will. The finance department has been a disaster for most of the last 10 years and I'm personally hopeful he'll get someone good in there, but if he was providing any advice to the Trudeau government on finance the last few years I'd have to say Carney did a poor job with it.

I think it's very easy to see where the skepticism and hesitation to voting Liberal is coming from, until you think about the other options and who they might put in those same important roles.

[rubecube]

Absolute garbage party filled with and led by garbage people.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11117563/...ievre-defence/

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is standing by a candidate in British Columbia, even as calls mount among various Indigenous leaders for the nominee to resign, accusing Aaron Gunn of denying the history of residential schools.

“He’s not denied the impact of residential schools, that’s just misinformation,” Poilievre told reporters Saturday when asked about his support for Gunn, the candidate for North Island-Powell River.

“In fact, he has said that he wants to continue to condemn the residential schools and build stronger partnerships with First Nations people to unlock our resources, so that we can produce incredible paycheques and opportunities for First Nations communities right across British Columbia.”

[dammage79]

And the PCs just lopped their own heads off with that.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Absolute garbage party filled with and led by garbage people.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11117563/...ievre-defence/

When Polievre once insinuated that we weren't getting value from settlement money and residential school students needed a stronger work ethic, Harper made him go on an apology tour.

You'd think having that kind of first hand experience in how to justify keeping a dud candidate around would have been valuable to Pierre in this situation. But here we are.

[Blaster86]

The issue is that PP doesn't actually disagree or see anything wrong with what Aaron Gunn said. He isn't even aware it's a problem for his party because the 30% of Canadians who will vote for his party no matter what either don't care, are willing to pretend it's not a major problem or agree with it. There is no accountability to even offer an actual apology. Let alone kick him to the curb.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Absolute garbage party filled with and led by garbage people.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11117563/...ievre-defence/

Aaron Gunn represents what his leader believes about indigenous people. Not surprised he kept him. Sometimes when people tell you who they are for 20 years you should believe them.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Tax cuts, TFSA changes, CBC funding, defense spending increase, cross country transportation corridor are the things that I can easily remember.

PP has not promised any increase in defence spending. Sadly I expect cuts to defence if he got in like what happened under Harper. I do think he will do the tax cuts and get rid of CBC and Radio Canada though.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

PP has not promised any increase in defence spending. Sadly I expect cuts to defence if he got in like what happened under Harper. I do think he will do the tax cuts and get rid of CBC and Radio Canada though.

Okay? But Carney has. The question was what campaign promises has each party made. I listed a bunch of the promises I knew of.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Mccree

What campaign promises has each party made? There seems to be a lack of policy announcements or maybe I am just not paying enough attention. GST on new homes and???

Carney promising to build tens of thousands of new homes like post WWII.

Hopefully this means incentives or contracts with the private sector but would not be surprised to see the Liberal Homebuilding Corporation of Canada.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The TFSA changes aren't anything special. It has to be labeled a Canadian investment which is decided by the firms. Just increase the limit.

[D as in David]

Anyone who supports the conservatives because they believe in fiscal stewardship would be drooling if their party leader had Carney's credentials.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

If Vote Compass is any guide then I would fall just right of centre. This is easily the most difficult decision in a federal election I have had and this is my twelfth. Frankly both main parties have huge warts, for me it's deciding who is the best of two poor options.

Not attacking you, Lubicon, but I find this stance gobsmacking.

It is just like the US election. It is realistically down to a decision between two people. One has a Phd, a Master's and an Ivy League degree in economics. Internationally renowned for his intellect. The other thinks the freedom truckers are the way to go. This should not be a vote between party history or stated positions, but the one with the best man for the job. In our system, a majority holding PM can fashion the country as he sees fit. Which of these guys would anyone want at the drafting table?

To me, it seems like a pretty clear choice.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liv...=1743796632904

PP doesnt like questions

I’m a senior reporter covering the Conservative campaign this week.

We've seen unprecedented efforts at message control from the Poilievre campaign that have broken with tradition in a number of ways.

The CPC is the only party to bar media from its campaign plane and buses. The Stephen Harper, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole campaigns all allowed media to travel with the leader, and charged sometimes exorbitant amounts of money for the privilege. The other parties do the same, and also charge.

Poilievre takes fewer questions than other leaders, a maximum of four per event, and insists on choosing which reporters are allowed to ask. After a week following the campaign, neither I nor my CBC colleague Tom Parry have been permitted to ask any questions.

Sometimes, CPC staffers try to get reporters to say what they plan to ask — a question a reporter is not supposed to answer. However, we have seen local media pressured into answering. Obviously, if a reporter declines, that could factor into the decision of who gets to ask questions at all.

The decision on who asks questions is always last-minute. A CPC staffer holds the microphone, ready to pull it away. No follow-up questions are permitted.

On occasion, CPC staffers have gotten physical with journalists, such as on the public wharf at Petty Harbour, N.L., where there was pushing and shoving.

Today, in Trois-Rivières, we asked to be allotted a question. Party staffers said yes, so long as it was asked by my colleague Tom Parry. We responded that I would prefer to ask it. At that point the party took away our question and gave it to another outlet.

The difficulty of trying to keep up with a campaign that has its own chartered aircraft is a logistical problem that can be mitigated to some extent. But the extreme message control makes it all but impossible to bring the same level of accountability to the Poilievre campaign that other campaigns are subject to. It also protects the campaign from having to answer tough questions and is a marked departure from previous Conservative campaigns I have covered.

I didn't realize we had our very own insider. Cool. It would be cool to know who you are if it is already public. If not, I respect that.

It does sound like your post is the makings of an article or report. This kind of bull#### is why people think PP and crew are aligned with Trump because they act just like them.

D'oh. So you are just a loser nobody like the rest of us? Sad.

[puffnstuff]

Click the link, its not me. The CBC reporter is Evan Dyer.

[puffnstuff]

https://bsky.app/profile/arnokopecky.../3lm3oze2f2224

On this day of massive anti-Trump protests, Poilievre was asked (again) if his policies aren’t a bit Trump-adjacent: anti-government, anti-regulation, anti-media… “Your question is false,” Poilievre replied (again). “Trump has endorsed the Liberals.”


Dude cant change. And how exactly is a question false? And again only took his limit of 4 questions.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Titan2

I didn't realize we had our very own insider. Cool. It would be cool to know who you are if it is already public. If not, I respect that.

It does sound like your post is the makings of an article or report. This kind of bull#### is why people think PP and crew are aligned with Trump because they act just like them.

D'oh. So you are just a loser nobody like the rest of us? Sad.

Get in loser...we're going to click some links...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I really am struggling with the about face when it comes to pipelines in this country from the Liberal perspective. There could have been so much infrastructure completed by now, we are so far behind. Many businesses have abandoned the idea because of how difficult it was to get anything done. Policies were about carbon capture and reduction, and shifting away to renewables, which is fine, but how do you fund that? And does that not all take time, like decades?

And now its all about Canadian independence when it comes to our resources?

Like I said, really struggling with that. I hate this election.

I think you need to recognize that the legacy PC government was no better. They failed to build a constitutionally compliant process to assess pipelines which resulted in pipelines being overturned. Line 3 expansion was the only real Harper success. The Trudeau government delivered TMX so I’m not seeing much difference. Both governments banked on the Americans building Keystone to solve the issues. Neither the PCs nor the Liberals have been successful here.

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Not attacking you, Lubicon, but I find this stance gobsmacking.

It is just like the US election. It is realistically down to a decision between two people. One has a Phd, a Master's and an Ivy League degree in economics. Internationally renowned for his intellect. The other thinks the freedom truckers are the way to go. This should not be a vote between party history or stated positions, but the one with the best man for the job. In our system, a majority holding PM can fashion the country as he sees fit. Which of these guys would anyone want at the drafting table?

To me, it seems like a pretty clear choice.

It’s wild to me that in Britain they were the original OGs of electing totally unqualified grifters (who became trump lovers - surprise) and voted for Brexit. Now the economy is ruined and they’re out of money and talking about austerity again.

Then in the usa they elected totally unqualified grifters for a second time and have what looks to be a self-caused Great Depressio and the fastest fall of an empire that is possible without a massive loss in war.

And now voters in Canada look at trump fanboys here in Alberta and nationally and think ‘I want some of that.’

Do you like what happened in the UK and what’s happening in the USA? Because that is what you’d be voting for with PP.

It’s so sad to me to see so many people so easily led to support politigans and policy that is so obviously bad.

Fundamentalh PP is completely unqualified for this role.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Anyone who supports the conservatives because they believe in fiscal stewardship would be drooling if their party leader had Carney's credentials.

Right???

The guy is a Goldman Sachs central banker.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Well you simply have to ask "Do I want to be a US Pawn state"

Tried that twice; didn’t work with idiots.