Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I really am struggling with the about face when it comes to pipelines in this country from the Liberal perspective. There could have been so much infrastructure completed by now, we are so far behind. Many businesses have abandoned the idea because of how difficult it was to get anything done. Policies were about carbon capture and reduction, and shifting away to renewables, which is fine, but how do you fund that? And does that not all take time, like decades?

And now its all about Canadian independence when it comes to our resources?

Like I said, really struggling with that. I hate this election.

Don’t worry the party that did this, and was doing it just a month ago, got a new leader who advocated for these very policies and was in an influential position to get that party to do so.

Yet somehow he is going to right the poor strategy of 10 years. Don’t question why, he has a resume that shows he’s elite. Exactly what we need after that son of an elitist got us here. Exactly what we need. He’s a nice guy too.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I really am struggling with the about face when it comes to pipelines in this country from the Liberal perspective. There could have been so much infrastructure completed by now, we are so far behind. Many businesses have abandoned the idea because of how difficult it was to get anything done. Policies were about carbon capture and reduction, and shifting away to renewables, which is fine, but how do you fund that? And does that not all take time, like decades?

And now its all about Canadian independence when it comes to our resources?

Like I said, really struggling with that. I hate this election.

It would be nice to have a few Liberal MPs from Alberta, if only to make sure that we have a voice in either the government, or official opposition. The best way to shunt Alberta to the side is a CPC sweep, here.

The easiest way for Carney to steal a few seats is to be very clear that Energy East, either to Manitoba or preferably to NB, is a key part of his platform. I think that he would gain more votes than he would lose. The people that are 100% against any resource development are not going to shift CPC, and if the move to the NDP, it wouldn't be enough to make the NDP a threat to take ridings, or even split the vote.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I really am struggling with the about face when it comes to pipelines in this country from the Liberal perspective. There could have been so much infrastructure completed by now, we are so far behind. Many businesses have abandoned the idea because of how difficult it was to get anything done. Policies were about carbon capture and reduction, and shifting away to renewables, which is fine, but how do you fund that? And does that not all take time, like decades?

And now its all about Canadian independence when it comes to our resources?

Like I said, really struggling with that. I hate this election.

I think it's not really helpful to look at what is happening today and blame all the decisions of the past, which were made in an entirely different world. I've always been supportive of changing minds and paths when situations change. Nothing worse than a leader who can't adapt.


The reality is, climate is a huge issue, but Canada can't do it alone, and we now have an existential threat to tackle. Yes, this means we are sacrificing climate goals, and make no mistake, this is going to have consequences. But in my mind, we don't have a lot of choice. And given the trajectory of climate goals and actions these days, the reality is we stand no chance. Humans are just too greedy and selfish. So we just have to accept that climate adaptation is going to be our future, not climate control.


So ya, it's perhaps regrettable we don't have more resource exporting projects, but I think it's also buying into the BS when you don't recognize the things we have done, like TMX and Coastal Gaslink, and that our petroleum production has steadily increased year on year. We haven't done nothing, we haven't shut down our industry, we haven't failed. And the reality is, a lot of what people say we should do just isn't economically viable or competitive on a global stage.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

He’s a nice guy too.

That alone is reason enough to elect him, when faced with PP who comes across as a petulant little ####

[Mccree]

What campaign promises has each party made? There seems to be a lack of policy announcements or maybe I am just not paying enough attention. GST on new homes and???

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Don’t worry the party that did this, and was doing it just a month ago, got a new leader who advocated for these very policies and was in an influential position to get that party to do so.

Yet somehow he is going to right the poor strategy of 10 years. Don’t question why, he has a resume that shows he’s elite. Exactly what we need after that son of an elitist got us here. Exactly what we need. He’s a nice guy too.

It’s not hard to sound smarter than this.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This is the easiest choice ever. Not sure what the struggle would be??

I just don’t think I can vote since I don’t have any candidates in my riding.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Don’t worry the party that did this, and was doing it just a month ago, got a new leader who advocated for these very policies and was in an influential position to get that party to do so.



Yet somehow he is going to right the poor strategy of 10 years. Don’t question why, he has a resume that shows he’s elite. Exactly what we need after that son of an elitist got us here. Exactly what we need. He’s a nice guy too.

Ah yes, you'd want to vote to become a 51st state.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It would be nice to have a few Liberal MPs from Alberta, if only to make sure that we have a voice in either the government, or official opposition. The best way to shunt Alberta to the side is a CPC sweep, here.

The easiest way for Carney to steal a few seats is to be very clear that Energy East, either to Manitoba or preferably to NB, is a key part of his platform. I think that he would gain more votes than he would lose. The people that are 100% against any resource development are not going to shift CPC, and if the move to the NDP, it wouldn't be enough to make the NDP a threat to take ridings, or even split the vote.

We had Randy B and George C previously and I don't remember them being overwhelmingly strong voices or advocates of Alberta policies or impacts. I don't have much hope that a new slate or a couple more MPs will have much more pull.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mccree

What campaign promises has each party made? There seems to be a lack of policy announcements or maybe I am just not paying enough attention. GST on new homes and???

This is a good one site to compare


https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/feat...atforms/#intro

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

This is the easiest choice ever. Not sure what the struggle would be??

I just don’t think I can vote since I don’t have any candidates in my riding.

Sadly I don’t have a Liberal candidate running in my riding as of yet (deadline is Monday, April 7th for nominations), so as of right now I have no choice but to vote NDP strategically just to keep the Cons out. The NDP usually cleans up in my area anyway so I’m not too worried about it. I just wish I could give my vote to a Liberal candidate this time considering how important this election is.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Yet somehow he is going to right the poor strategy of 10 years. Don’t question why, he has a resume that shows he’s elite. Exactly what we need after that son of an elitist got us here. Exactly what we need. He’s a nice guy too.

Why would somebody being the son of an elitist have any bearing on how somebody who 'is elite' would perform?

How does Trudeau's resume stack up against the resume that 'shows Carney is elite'? If it doesn't, what's your point?

Similarly, does Poilievre's resume resemble Trudeau the Younger's or Carney's more?

[Drak]

People think that PP, a rich career politician tied to big oil money and the likes of Donald Trump isn’t an elitist? Really? Sounds like Fox News brain rot has set in.

[Harry Lime]

Everything about both Carney and PP, just scream aristocrat.

As voters, I think that we are going to have to get over our leader having those particular traits, because there is no way to avoid it. In a way that actually makes things much easier in terms of discerning their particular values as a leader, because the 'elitism' is a wash.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I really am struggling with the about face when it comes to pipelines in this country from the Liberal perspective. There could have been so much infrastructure completed by now, we are so far behind. Many businesses have abandoned the idea because of how difficult it was to get anything done. Policies were about carbon capture and reduction, and shifting away to renewables, which is fine, but how do you fund that? And does that not all take time, like decades?

And now its all about Canadian independence when it comes to our resources?

Like I said, really struggling with that. I hate this election.

I understand the sentiment, but I suspect it is more routed in a feeling that the Liberals have been harder on your industry and the Conservatives have not been, I say that because all we can really go off is the record, and if you want to look at the record in the last 50 years, the scoreboard is liberals 2 pipelines, conservatives 0.

I don't think it's a cohesive argument, electing a party who is otherwise economically short sighted and irresponsible, because they promise to make it easier for some large companies to make money (and they vaguely alludes to some trickle down economics for why that is good), without haven a proven track record of doing so.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Don’t worry the party that did this, and was doing it just a month ago, got a new leader who advocated for these very policies and was in an influential position to get that party to do so.

Yet somehow he is going to right the poor strategy of 10 years. Don’t question why, he has a resume that shows he’s elite. Exactly what we need after that son of an elitist got us here. Exactly what we need. He’s a nice guy too.

Tell me why I should vote for PP without talking about Carney or the Liberal party

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mccree

What campaign promises has each party made? There seems to be a lack of policy announcements or maybe I am just not paying enough attention. GST on new homes and???

Tax cuts, TFSA changes, CBC funding, defense spending increase, cross country transportation corridor are the things that I can easily remember.

[Fuzz]

Pierre has promised to cancel woke, so that's another one.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Tell me why I should vote for PP without talking about Carney or the Liberal party

Nice try, you didn’t mention Trudeau!

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I really am struggling with the about face when it comes to pipelines in this country from the Liberal perspective. There could have been so much infrastructure completed by now, we are so far behind. Many businesses have abandoned the idea because of how difficult it was to get anything done. Policies were about carbon capture and reduction, and shifting away to renewables, which is fine, but how do you fund that? And does that not all take time, like decades?

And now its all about Canadian independence when it comes to our resources?

Like I said, really struggling with that. I hate this election.

You're struggling with the fact that the Liberal leadership changed and the global climate changed significantly so their stance on things changed? I'd be more concerned if all of this had happened and nothing had changed.