Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Torture

Yep, if you're centre right, holding your nose (do you really even have to hold your nose?) and voting Carney sends a pretty clear message to the CPC imo.

Whether they listen to that message, or instead double down to go even further right, that's a different conversation.

If you're centre anything, Carney has made this the easiest vote in many elections.
You no longer have to choose between socially/morally bankrupt and economic mismanagement.
I actually don't think anyone who still votes Conservative can really call themselves a centrist. It was different when there was no real centre option.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You no longer have to choose between socially/morally bankrupt and economic mismanagement.

I think the only parties you can point to that haven't mismanaged the economy for the bulk of this century are the NDP, Greens, and BQ (PPC, too, I guess).

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

If you're centre anything, Carney has made this the easiest vote in many elections.
You no longer have to choose between socially/morally bankrupt and economic mismanagement.
I actually don't think anyone who still votes Conservative can really call themselves a centrist. It was different when there was no real centre option.

If Vote Compass is any guide then I would fall just right of centre. This is easily the most difficult decision in a federal election I have had and this is my twelfth. Frankly both main parties have huge warts, for me it's deciding who is the best of two poor options.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

If Vote Compass is any guide then I would fall just right of centre. This is easily the most difficult decision in a federal election I have had and this is my twelfth. Frankly both main parties have huge warts, for me it's deciding who is the best of two poor options.

Well you simply have to ask "Do I want to be a US Pawn state"

[rubecube]

Lol

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/04...al-statements/

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Well you simply have to ask "Do I want to be a US Pawn state"

This kind of crap doesn't help.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This kind of crap doesn't help.

Bull####. It is a major part of what is at stake in this is election as one party and the people who have sway and say within it continue to say and do treasonous #### while bending the knee.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by rubecube

They're an aggressively stupid party, with an aggressively stupid base.

Boohoo. we have a super sad geologist here in Calgary... lol

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

If Vote Compass is any guide then I would fall just right of centre. This is easily the most difficult decision in a federal election I have had and this is my twelfth. Frankly both main parties have huge warts, for me it's deciding who is the best of two poor options.

Unless the socially conservative stuff is what appeals to you or you’re still thinking this is some vote for Trudeau, this shouldn’t be a difficult choice at all.

All the reasonable policies the CPC had have already been done better by the Liberals. Everything remaining is backwards, ineffective, or unconstitutional and would never happen.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Bull####. It is a major part of what is at stake in this is election as one party and the people who have sway and say within it continue to say and do treasonous #### while bending the knee.

I buy this to a real extent in re: Danielle Smith. I also buy that there are certainly areas of overlap in terms of the culture war priorities as between PP's CPC and the MAGA crowd. But there is nothing PP has said that would suggest he'd compromise on sovereignty, and suggesting otherwise is unserious. His public statements on that point have been just as clear as Carney's. Not to mention, there is a real argument that a Carney government is better equipped to defend Canada's interests against the Trump white house and its allies, and this simplistic "PP = TRUMP LACKEY" stuff is actually detrimental to keeping the votes that Carney has siphoned off of the CPC so far.

Not that I'm suggesting that you personally have any real impact on the election obviously, I'm saying in general, that sort of thing is obnoxious and counterproductive. Plus it makes you sound like Johnny Makarov and that's not anywhere anyone should want to be.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

If Vote Compass is any guide then I would fall just right of centre. This is easily the most difficult decision in a federal election I have had and this is my twelfth. Frankly both main parties have huge warts, for me it's deciding who is the best of two poor options.

I think this is the easiest election in my lifetime.

We've seen firsthand what modern Canadian Conservatism looks like in Alberta. I absolutely wouldn't want that at the Federal level.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Some door knocker didn't even door knock and left me a Nixon propaganda brochure. Went right into the blue bin lol

Well...and he's been dead for 20 years.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I buy this to a real extent in re: Danielle Smith. I also buy that there are certainly areas of overlap in terms of the culture war priorities as between PP's CPC and the MAGA crowd. But there is nothing PP has said that would suggest he'd compromise on sovereignty, and suggesting otherwise is unserious. His public statements on that point have been just as clear as Carney's. Not to mention, there is a real argument that a Carney government is better equipped to defend Canada's interests against the Trump white house and its allies, and this simplistic "PP = TRUMP LACKEY" stuff is actually detrimental to keeping the votes that Carney has siphoned off of the CPC so far.

Not that I'm suggesting that you personally have any real impact on the election obviously, I'm saying in general, that sort of thing is obnoxious and counterproductive. Plus it makes you sound like Johnny Makarov and that's not anywhere anyone should want to be.

I think people can have reasonable concerns about a CPC government, even if PP is saying the right things now, based on their rhetoric and the assortment of garbage humans they continue to associate with (i.e. freedom convoyers). Alberta is a great example of how party members can hijack an already right-wing party and make it an even bigger and more incompetent embarrassment.

Proof of this can also be seen in their continued failure to properly vet candidates and/or remove the ones who say and believe vile things (see: Aaron Gunn).

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by getbak

How can you vote so early that the final list of candidates hasn't even been set yet?

Interestingly enough, the special ballot which is what I did doesn't have a list of candidates and their parties. You have to look up who is running yourself and then write the person's name, not the party. Mail-in ballots work the same, I've done that before as well.

My riding has 4 candidates running according to the Elections Canada website. There's a Liberal incumbent, and then a Bloc, an NDP and a Conservative. I suppose they could drop out/get replaced between now and election day but I'm going to be travelling for work for the next month+ so I kind of had to pick one today. I guess I could have done a mail-in and waited a little longer but that's a hassle I don't need right now.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think people can have reasonable concerns about a CPC government, even if PP is saying the right things now, based on their rhetoric and the assortment of garbage humans they continue to associate with (i.e. freedom convoyers). Alberta is a great example of how party members can hijack an already right-wing party and make it an even bigger and more incompetent embarrassment.

Proof of this can also be seen in their continued failure to properly vet candidates and/or remove the ones who say and believe vile things (see: Aaron Gunn).

Yeah this is deeper than PP. I don't know his personal feelings because he has been good at not saying much. But the CPC as a party seems pretty aligned with MAGA - and if we have learned anything for the past 5 years, is that if you don't agree with the backroom CPC/UCP then you aren't leader for long.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think people can have reasonable concerns about a CPC government, even if PP is saying the right things now, based on their rhetoric and the assortment of garbage humans they continue to associate with (i.e. freedom convoyers). Alberta is a great example of how party members can hijack an already right-wing party and make it an even bigger and more incompetent embarrassment.

The influence of the worst elements of the CPC over the party is a reasonable concern. The increase in that influence if they were to win this election, i.e. would those elements be emboldened given current affairs, is also a reasonable concern. There is a lot of nuance to those issues. The notion that PP is a Trump asset, or a Trump sycophant, or that if he wins the country will be sold out to Trump, is not reasonable, and the people suggesting this seem incapable of nuance.

There is also a reasonable concern that a growing lack of capacity for nuance, or maybe just the rejection of nuance as a thing anyone should care about, is one of the root causes of where we find ourselves.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The influence of the worst elements of the CPC over the party is a reasonable concern. The increase in that influence if they were to win this election, i.e. would those elements be emboldened given current affairs, is also a reasonable concern. There is a lot of nuance to those issues. The notion that PP is a Trump asset, or a Trump sycophant, or that if he wins the country will be sold out to Trump, is not reasonable, and the people suggesting this seem incapable of nuance.

There is also a reasonable concern that a growing lack of capacity for nuance, or maybe just the rejection of nuance as a thing anyone should care about, is one of the root causes of where we find ourselves.

You don't think Pierre is the type to make concessions and deals with Trump in an attempt to appease him(being desperate for a win) that Pierre wouldn't end up handing out concessions that ultimately leave us much worse off?

It may not be selling out all of the country, but he would for sure kowtow to Trump on demands for removing DEI type protections and cause a great deal of harm to many communities, the moment Trump told him to.

I just don't trust that Pierre has thee ability to stand up to someone he has so much in common with(when it comes to rhetoric, at least).

[calgarygeologist]

Maybe candidate dropping hasn't been in the spotlight as much in previous elections but it feels reassuring to know that campaigns appear to be taking it more seriously this time and especially over the last week. I don't know what the accurate count is right now but I think the Liberals have dropped 5, the cons might be up to 7 and the NDP at one.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Maybe candidate dropping hasn't been in the spotlight as much in previous elections but it feels reassuring to know that campaigns appear to be taking it more seriously this time and especially over the last week. I don't know what the accurate count is right now but I think the Liberals have dropped 5, the cons might be up to 7 and the NDP at one.

I agree that this is a feature not a bug. It’s good that candidates in the main two parties are being scrutinized and that the parties feel these things are worth dismissing people for.

[starseed]

It is largely irrelevant when it is in ridings they will not win.


Aaron Gunn still stands as a Conservative candidate in a safe CPC riding on Vancouver Island.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/a...osts-1.7500555

A post on X from June 2021 reads "Residential schools were asked for by Indigenous bands in Eastern Ontario when John A. Macdonald was still a teenager, but hey, why let the truth get in the way of a good headline."
UBCIC Grand Chief Stewart Phillip called the posts "absolutely reprehensible and repugnant and completely devoid of any sense of compassion for Indigenous Peoples who suffered enormously through the residential school experience."

"I don't think this man is fit for public office, whether it be federal or provincial or any office that allows him to continue to make these horrible statements," he said.