[PGT] Season in the ICU. Flames lost 3-1 to Utah

[Lil Pedro]

I still can't believe that goal wasn't allowed

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

This is a load of crap. The Blues fired Bannister 22 games into a two year contract and Montgomery had no issue going there for a 5 year contract.

If the Flames aren't getting interest from good coaches it's because they aren't willing to pay up.

The only premium coach they have ever attracted, apart from re-treads, is the farmer from Viking. And they still paid a lot to get him (and still are)

Why would a premium coach choose this situation?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

I still can't believe that goal wasn't allowed

Unfortunately I can.

Kris King and the rest of the NHL review room don't have a clue how to do their job properly.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TenaciousC

#1 priority in the off season needs to be some forwards with some offensive creativity.

Almost threw my remote thru the TV watching Backlund dump the puck on the goalie on a clear cut 2-on-1

Frost, Coronato, Zary, Kadri, Huberdeau all have creativity. The problem is showing it consistently against NHL quality opposition. Guys who can do it consistently get paid. So you’d be looking at bringing in someone like Ehlers on a big contract with term.

Until they graduate a couple more skilled guys from in the system (Parekh should help), the Flames will have to play a north-south game.

[howard_the_duck]

Excellent effort in the latter half of the game last night especially on a back to back.

It’s disappointing because it seems we’re headed towards the result we were all dreading.

IMO, this offseason is where the real Conroy plan begins to take shape. Huge offseason, need another strong draft and hopefully some restraint with our cap space.

I’ll be disappointed if the narrative is “we’re right there” and the plan follows that mantra.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

I still can't believe that goal wasn't allowed

The problem is the view was not 100% conclusive, as it appeared the puck was in the air, so the sliver of white showing below an air borne puck can never be conclusive.

I was hoping they had another angle we didn't have.

Was it likely a goal? Absolutely. But it wasn't 100% conclusive.

[Enoch Root]

The puck was on the ice

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The only premium coach they have ever attracted, apart from re-treads, is the farmer from Viking. And they still paid a lot to get him (and still are)

Why would a premium coach choose this situation?

Are the Flames really in that much worse of a situation roster-wise than the Blues were when they hired Montgomery? If St. Louis was a more attractive situation, it’s because of ownership, management (Armstrong is one of the most respected in the league), and market/location.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Are the Flames really in that much worse of a situation roster-wise than the Blues were when they hired Montgomery? If St. Louis was a more attractive situation, it’s because of ownership, management (Armstrong is one of the most respected in the league), and market/location.

Yes I think it's all those factors.
I can also imagine that a coach looks at a Blues team, and thinks he can probably do something more near-term with it than the Flames squad - including because there are some guys on their like Binnignton who have won. But that's a guess.

There's also a history with the organization, with him being an assistant there.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Roster with multiple guys that have scored 60+ points and 20-30 goal scorers throughout the lineup can't score as many goals as teens that have totally ripped it apart and are tanking. Minor league coach tonight pulls the goalie with 90 seconds left when he had multiple chances to do it earlier. If this team had a first line of McDavid, MacKinnon, and Matthews and couldn't score people would still say Huska is a fantastic coach. It is fn mindboggling! This team is where it is because of goaltending, the rest of the team has underperformed drastically.

Multiple guys that have 60+ points? In the NHL? The way you worded that makes it seem like more than Kadri and Huberdeau have scored 60 or more points in a season. Last year Sharangovich came awfully close with 59 points but that was under the coach who you're arguing against.


20-30 goal scorers throughout the lineup. Yes, we have quite a few 20 goal scorers, I'll give you that. Even a couple 30 goal scorers. In fact, last year Coleman and Sharangovich had 30 and 31 goals with Huska as their head coach. Those were career years for both players and not the norm, at least not yet for Sharangovich.


30 goal scorers
Huberdeau - 2 in Florida and may be able to get his 3rd 30 goal season this year with Huska as his coach
Kadri - 3, 1 this year with Huska as his coach
Coleman - 1 in a career year with Huska as his coach
Sharangovich - 1 in a career year with Huska as his coach


20 goal scorers (the totals include 30 goal seasons)
Huberdeau - this year is his 7th 20 goal season
Kadri - this year is his 7th 20 goal season
Weegar - last year 20 goals far surpassed any other total he ever had - Huska was coach
Coleman - 3 seasons with 20 goals, his best was with Huska
Backlund - 3 seasons, he's been a stellar shutdown center and his offensive game is on the back nine.
Sharangovich - 2 seasons
Joel Farabee - 2 seasons
Matt Coronato - hit is first 20 goal season this year.


Those lists don't exactly give me confidence in the Flames offence. We need to worry more about how to get forwards who can carry offence than we need to worry about the coach.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Sigh... Gotta appreciate the effort in the third there from the Flames on the b2b. They tried.

Of course the difference is pretty much a molecule of the puck not being across the line supposedly. We just keep getting screwed.

Good analogy. One molecule. (or one pixel ) As if anyone with a common sense look would think that puck was not it.

[Bandwagon Surfer]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Flames have picked up a number of good young players

Frost
Bahl
Pachal
Farabee

And a number of their draft picks took big steps in the last year or so

Coronato
Zary
Wolf
Pospisil

Their top paid players showed up

Huberdeau
Kadri
Weegar

But a few players really regressed

Coleman
Backlund
Sharangovich

A few unsung heroes

Hanley
Vladar

I don’t know. I don’t think they are as bad as a lot of people on here think. They are fairly young. Have a ton of cap space and draft picks and are competitive on most nights with the top teams.

Just need some of their draft picks to hit and at some point they are going to have to use their cap space to find some offence.

I’m betting there are a number of other teams that would prefer to be in the Flames position .

Man, does it ever look grim when laid out like that.

[BoLevi]

The fact that they didn't leverage their cap space this year was a miss for Conroy.

There had to have been enough bad contracts out there that werent attached to a locker room cancer type.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Unfortunately I can.

Kris King and the rest of the NHL review room don't have a clue how to do their job properly.

IMO they did their job correctly based on the video evidence. It looks like it's in, but you just can't clearly detect white between the goal line and puck because of the blur. The failure is on the NHL's use of crude camera technology in 2025. I understand that there's motion blur but it's a round black object on white ice represents the highest possible contrast ratio possible (compared to say a brown football on grass or yellow tennis ball on green court) yet the video footage looks like it was rendered in 480i which is simply unacceptable.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This type of finish to the season was absolutely evident before christmas. No one should be surprised.

That's pretty disingenuous in my opinion.

The team was in a playoff spot at the deadline and has been right there since the 4 Nations break.

St. Louis won 10 in a row and changed the math significantly.

What looked like 91 points became 96.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

Man, does it ever look grim when laid out like that.

The sun will come out tomorrow……… maybe

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's pretty disingenuous in my opinion.

The team was in a playoff spot at the deadline and has been right there since the 4 Nations break.

St. Louis won 10 in a row and changed the math significantly.

What looked like 91 points became 96.

They probably gain 10 points this year over last. $20 million can get you another 10 if you want it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's pretty disingenuous in my opinion.

The team was in a playoff spot at the deadline and has been right there since the 4 Nations break.

St. Louis won 10 in a row and changed the math significantly.

What looked like 91 points became 96.

Yeah this is more on the Blues going on an epic run than anything the Flames or even Canucks did wrong. I will say it sure seems like the Flames have bad luck with their timing (trade deadline last season vs this season, etc) as when's the last time we saw a team rip off 10 straight wins in a late run like this?

[Jiri Hrdina]

The interesting thing about the Blues is they were in somewhat of a similar state (even worse) at the deadline with some advocating that they should move a guy like Schenn. Instead they decided to give their team a chance. If a team rips off 10 in a row not much you can do. Pretty impressive.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The interesting thing about the Blues is they were in somewhat of a similar state (even worse) at the deadline with some advocating that they should move a guy like Schenn. Instead they decided to give their team a chance. If a team rips off 10 in a row not much you can do. Pretty impressive.

Yeah, it's very impressive and of course with our luck as Flames fans it directly affects us.

St. Louis is definitely a team I'll be rooting for in the playoffs, however. What a great story.