2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I agree 100%. Another big measuring stick is how he will do in the playoffs. I could see him having his struggles, much like Mitch Marner.

What? Marner is nearly a PPG in the playoffs?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Conroy would trade Parekh for Bedard in a second, as would every other GM in the league.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No he wouldn't. Zero chance.

Zero chance? C'mon, that's an insane assertion.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I agree 100%. Another big measuring stick is how he will do in the playoffs. I could see him having his struggles, much like Mitch Marner.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Marner has 50 points in 57 playoff games

Originally Posted by Sandman

Excellent numbers, but not superstar numbers.

Wait, you said northing about being a superstar playoff performer, you were specifically speaking to "playoff struggles, much like Mitch Marner". Can you explain to me how 50 points in 57 playoff games equals playoff struggles?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Wait, you said northing about being a superstar playoff performer, you were specifically speaking to "playoff struggles, much like Mitch Marner". Can you explain to me how 50 points in 57 playoff games equals playoff struggles?

I said that I could see him "having his struggles", not "struggling consistently". Marner is 1.12 ppg for career points in the regular season, and is 0.87 ppg in the playoffs- with only 3 playoffs out of 8 at near a point-per-game or above. He has been a regular whipping boy for Leafs fans in the post-season, and manages to disappear- even when he is producing points.

Marner might be an example of a player who is labelled a "superstar" in the regular season, but doesn't produce like a "superstar" in the playoffs.

[dino7c]

Tkachuk isn't a superstar in the playoffs either then...

When you have players that played a lot of playoff games in their younger years its easy to write them off as not great in the playoffs
I mean I hate to defend Toronto but look at their playoff matchups in that divison...its been prime Tampa or Boston most of the time

Marner has also outscored Matthews in the playoffs...Leafs will rue the day...rue I tell ya

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This conversation is making my head hurt. I'd like to change the subject.

What do we think the Flames could get for Coleman this summer? He feels like the natural candidate to move with Huberdeau, Coronato, Farabee, Zary, Sharangovich, and Pospisil all needing top-nine ice. I wonder if you could get a high 2nd and a prospect for him.

I think the return would be similar to Mangiapane. A 2nd round pick probably gets it done. I could see TBL bringing him back like they did with Gourde and McDonagh.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tkachuk isn't a superstar in the playoffs either then...

When you have players that played a lot of playoff games in their younger years its easy to write them off as not great in the playoffs
I mean I hate to defend Toronto but look at their playoff matchups in that divison...its been prime Tampa or Boston most of the time

Marner has also outscored Matthews in the playoffs...Leafs will rue the day...rue I tell ya

Marner screwed the pooch last year in the playoffs, with only 3 points in 7 games, but was pretty good from a production standpoint the previous 2, with 22 points in 18 games total. He was well under a ppg in the three post-seasons before that.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tkachuk isn't a superstar in the playoffs either then...

When you have players that played a lot of playoff games in their younger years its easy to write them off as not great in the playoffs
I mean I hate to defend Toronto but look at their playoff matchups in that divison...its been prime Tampa or Boston most of the time

Marner has also outscored Matthews in the playoffs...Leafs will rue the day...rue I tell ya

I agree on Matthews- I doubt his heart in his Toronto.

uh oh, another controversial take....

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think the return would be similar to Mangiapane. A 2nd round pick probably gets it done. I could see TBL bringing him back like they did with Gourde and McDonagh.

I agree, second-rounder. I imagine Conroy keeps a good inventory of who actually wants to be here, and who doesn't. If Coleman actually wants to remain a Flame, I might actually prefer to keep him to usher in the youth coming up the pipeline- he's competitive, and a winner, even if his production is declining.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

#1 centers don’t grow on trees. You are the only one calling him winger.

We know very well here in Calgary.

He literally plays the wing in Chicago, lol.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Every GM in the world trades Parekh for Bedard in a second. This isn't even a question.

Bedard is the most sought after prospect since McDavid and Crosby. And has 119 points in 142 NHL games while playing center the entire time, on a team that's probably the worst situation in the NHL over the past two seasons.

You move Parekh for him every single time and don't even hesitate. There aren't a lot of guys you'd move Parekh for, but Bedard is easily one of them.

And you absolutely blow that trade big time. Let's revisit this in 5 years when Bedard is an 80-90 point player and Parekh is winning Norris trophies. People do not remotely grasp what Parekh has done as a junior. You say Bedard is the most sought after prospect since McDavid, so what? Remember when Shane Wright was projected to be the next McDavid as a 16 year old? How is that turning out? Meanwhile Parekh is doing things as a junior D man that has not been seen since Bobby freakin Orr. That would be such a traditional Flames move, trade a generational young D man for a top line forward.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I agree on Matthews- I doubt his heart in his Toronto.

uh oh, another controversial take....

It's an interesting take but it isn't true. Matthews absolutely loves Toronto.

[jayswin]

Wait, Shane Wright was projected to be the next Conner McDavid? Citation ABSOLUETELY needed.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, he really wouldn't. Conroy is not an idiot, you don't change a potential generational defenseman for a guy trending to be a first line winger who might be able to play centre. A player that you might have for a few more years before he most likely leaves. Parekh right now is untouchable.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No he wouldn't. Zero chance.

If the scenario ever came up where Conroy could get Bedard for Parekh (it wouldn't come up) how on gods green earth would there be a zero chance Conroy would entertain the trade idea? Like what the actual ****?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Wait, Shane Wright was projected to be the next Conner McDavid? Citation ABSOLUETELY needed.

He absolutely was.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/ins...t-top-prospect

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

If the scenario ever came up where Conroy could get Bedard for Parekh (it wouldn't come up) how on gods green earth would there be a zero chance Conroy would entertain the trade idea? Like what the actual ****?

Because Zane Parekh is untouchable. Not that either team is looking to move those players. You don't move a player that has done what Parekh has done. Even if you did and Bedard turns out you are just robbing one position for another.

[dissentowner]

Here, let me put it this way. If age was the same who would rather have? Brayden Point who Bedard looks to project a lot closer to than McDavid or Cal Makar who Parekh might project better than?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He absolutely was.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/ins...t-top-prospect

This article doesn't support your claim. Here's a few snippets from your link:

"The first thing I would say about Shane: You're not going to get this spectacular flash and dash. I'm not saying that negatively. He's just not a Nathan MacKinnon or Connor McDavid type. That's not who he is," Button said.

"Whatever expectations are put on him, he exceeds them. He reminds me of Steve Yzerman," said Button of Bedard.

Wright isn't expected to be the next Yzerman. Nor the next McDavid, nor the next Crosby. He may not end up being a player whose signature is worthy of an arm tattoo.

"Generational players don't come along very often. I don't see Shane as generational. We don't call Patrice Bergeron generational, either. Doesn't mean he's not a great player," he said.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here, let me put it this way. If age was the same who would rather have? Brayden Point who Bedard looks to project a lot closer to than McDavid or Cal Makar who Parekh might project better than?

Wait. You’re saying that Parekh might be a better prospect than Connor McDavid?

I hate McDavid as much as the next Flames fan, but come on. The Parekh hype is getting out of control

Edit: I feel like I’m misinterpreting what you’re saying here

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

Wait. You’re saying that Parekh might be a better prospect than Connor McDavid?

I hate McDavid as much as the next Flames fan, but come on. The Parekh hype is getting out of control

Edit: I feel like I’m misinterpreting what you’re saying here

Ya, I am not saying Parekh will be better than McDavid. I am saying Bedard is closer to Point than to McDavid.