Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I immediately disqualify anyone who uses the word woke or the term DEI. I get that there are concerns that social justice, etc. have been pushed too far by some but using those terms implicitly rejects any notion of it. As soon as you say DEI (in a negative or positive context) you cast aspersions on anyone who is not a straight white male and implicitly question whether they deserve their job.

Is it possible to thank a post more than once?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Muta

Which jurisdictions are those? This is an increasingly popular material being used across the country that, while a relatively new material to the residential sector outside of BC and Quebec, it's not 'not approved'; building codes across the country have been fast-adapting to its implementation and use. This is a product that has been used extensively, and consistently increasingly, in the educational, institutional, cultural, transportation, and commercial sectors for years.

Is mass timber the next big thing in cheaper, greener construction? More provinces are saying yes

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...-yes-1.7213165

Ontario is also modifying the building code to increase wood construction up to 18 stories now (up from 12 in 2020).

Ontario Expanding Mass Timber Construction Up to 18 Storeys
Mass timber expansion will help build more homes and support Ontario’s forestry sector

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1...-to-18-storeys

Yes, I am aware that the building code is changing, but many provinces are lagging behind BC who is at the forefront of CLT construction.

Perhaps you should do some more BASIC research and then you'd quickly realize that as an example in BC, BCBC 2024 has recently approved CLT for use in construction of buildings up to 18 stories, where in Alberta the Alberta Building Code aligns with the 2020 NBC code which only approved CLT for buildings up to 6 stories, and as far as I know Alberta hasn't even adopted the 2024 NBC update which allowed construction up to 12 stories.

Also, unlike BC, Alberta hasn’t introduced province-specific amendments to push mass timber heights beyond the NBC, though this could change with growing industry pressure.

Other provinces might also follow NBC 2025, and are still not on par with what BC is doing.

Beyond that modular home construction is great, but similar restrictions to how it is built still exist from province to province.

Plus, CLT construction is often limited by production of the product.

BC is at the forefront because companies like Kalesnikoff, Structurlam, Mercer Mass Timber & StructureCraft Builders Inc have been producing CLT in province for years.

In comparison, I don't think there are any companies at the same production level in Alberta, Sask & Manitoba, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and Labrador. In case you didn't know, transportation costs to get the panels on site, along with the expertise of the manufacturer is actually important. I guess living in Liberal la la land things like these are not actually a problem.

But hey, your dear leader Carney said CLT is the future so it must be true!
Funny how things work in the world of Liberal delusions.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It’s also been in the national building code since the 2020 edition. And the country is in the process of code harmonization (by law) to eliminate most of the variances between what’s allowed in different provinces.

Nice to be well on the inside and “know” when one of these generalized nonsense claims gets made for once. Clearly has zero idea what they are even commenting on.

Yes, its been part of the national building code for over 5 years, and with each subsequent update to the NBC, the proposed potential of CLT grows and gets better, but at the same time every province has not necessarily adopted even the latest version of the NBC, and investment in building CLT plants in more provinces has been slow, as have proposed developments that make use of it.

I love CLT, and I 100% think its part of the future, especially with the ability to sequester carbon, but just because Carney says something doesn't make it suddenly achievable.

I also never said I was in the 'know', but it seems like even basic googling skills are hard to do these days.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yes, its been part of the national building code for over 5 years, and with each subsequent update to the NBC, the proposed potential of CLT grows and gets better, but at the same time every province has not necessarily adopted even the latest version of the NBC, and investment in building CLT plants in more provinces has been slow, as have proposed developments that make use of it.

I love CLT, and I 100% think its part of the future, especially with the ability to sequester carbon, but just because Carney says something doesn't make it suddenly achievable.

I also never said I was in the 'know', but it seems like even basic googling skills are hard to do these days.

Do you mind just simply stating what “many jurisdictions” don’t allow mass timber construction? since you made the claim. No one is arguing that BC is driving the bus here.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Do you mind just simply stating what “many jurisdictions” don’t allow mass timber construction? since you made the claim. No one is arguing that BC is driving the bus here.

100% this. Azure made a claim that mass timber isn't approved in 'many jurisdictions', which is categorically false, and still has failed to answer what jurisdictions those are despite his long-winded response to me above (which actually just reinforced the use, presence, recognition and promotion of mass timber in Canada lol), and then of course, finding a way to tie ''liberals' to 'mass timber' which is classic Azure. He also fails to acknowledge that mass timber has been growing in increasing popularity since really the Harper days, even before modern building code updates have started to fast-track its use.

Sometimes, things in this world just don't need to be tied to political interpretation and association. Mass timber is one of those things, but Azure simply cannot get out of his own way on stuff like this.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Azure

Other provinces might also follow NBC 2025, and are still not on par with what BC is doing.

Do they need to be? There's no shortage of middle-density developments to far exceed production in the near future. The reality is that most places in the country don't need to be in a rush to get beyond 6 storys much less 12. Approved building code height isn't the limiting factor here.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Do you mind just simply stating what “many jurisdictions” don’t allow mass timber construction? since you made the claim. No one is arguing that BC is driving the bus here.

Atlantis, The Shire, Mordor, and Narnia, for starters.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/user/status/1906520498655420431

Does this dweeb even have a platform?

I had no idea about the plagiarism angle until it was mentioned here.

What what stupid ass desperate take from Poilievre void of a proper campaign strategy, goddamn. Canadians ####ing care about Trump and being annexed first and foremost, not what Carney wrote 30 years and may or may not have improperly used a source. The election is a single issue one right now that has a strong impact on the ones he want to focus on (inflation / cost of living). You have to talk about Trump

His leaked message to Conservative party supporters today was about fighting hard against "the radical woke Liberals for the future of our country". I kid you not. not a single mention of Trump in his messaging, not a single mention of protecting against tariffs.

His stance worked when everyone was rightfully fully pissed off at Trudeau-Singh and destructive policies, but all attention is on Trump / tariffs / annexation. He thinks the Trump effect will wear off.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...ging-1.7497965

His stupid direction will likely cost him the leadership and the CPC an extra 4 years just because they want to make this a fight against wokeness instead of a fight against the US, and don't want to lose that messaging.

[Drak]

PP isn’t going to campaign against Trump because they are allied. There is a plan in place and the reform party is part of it. Pretty obvious. They will sell us out.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I had no idea about the plagiarism angle until it was mentioned here.

What what stupid ass desperate take from Poilievre void of a proper campaign strategy, goddamn. Canadians ####ing care about Trump and being annexed first and foremost, not what Carney wrote 30 years and may or may not have improperly used a source. The election is a single issue one right now that has a strong impact on the ones he want to focus on (inflation / cost of living). You have to talk about Trump

His leaked message to Conservative party supporters today was about fighting hard against "the radical woke Liberals for the future of our country". I kid you not. not a single mention of Trump in his messaging, not a single mention of protecting against tariffs.

His stance worked when everyone was rightfully fully pissed off at Trudeau-Singh and destructive policies, but all attention is on Trump / tariffs / annexation. He thinks the Trump effect will wear off.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...ging-1.7497965

His stupid direction will likely cost him the leadership and the CPC an extra 4 years just because they want to make this a fight against wokeness instead of a fight against the US, and don't want to lose that messaging.

I've really started to believe that they completely missed the fact that their upswing was driven heavily by anti-Trudeau, not pro-PP. That power went to their head and I just don't think they can read the challenge in front of them. If you want to really stretch it, kind of like a Hot Hand Fallacy where instead of shots, it's OG polling numbers.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yes, I am aware that the building code is changing, but many provinces are lagging behind BC who is at the forefront of CLT construction.

Perhaps you should do some more BASIC research and then you'd quickly realize that as an example in BC, BCBC 2024 has recently approved CLT for use in construction of buildings up to 18 stories, where in Alberta the Alberta Building Code aligns with the 2020 NBC code which only approved CLT for buildings up to 6 stories, and as far as I know Alberta hasn't even adopted the 2024 NBC update which allowed construction up to 12 stories.

Also, unlike BC, Alberta hasn’t introduced province-specific amendments to push mass timber heights beyond the NBC, though this could change with growing industry pressure.

Other provinces might also follow NBC 2025, and are still not on par with what BC is doing.

Beyond that modular home construction is great, but similar restrictions to how it is built still exist from province to province.

Plus, CLT construction is often limited by production of the product.

BC is at the forefront because companies like Kalesnikoff, Structurlam, Mercer Mass Timber & StructureCraft Builders Inc have been producing CLT in province for years.

In comparison, I don't think there are any companies at the same production level in Alberta, Sask & Manitoba, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland and Labrador. In case you didn't know, transportation costs to get the panels on site, along with the expertise of the manufacturer is actually important. I guess living in Liberal la la land things like these are not actually a problem.

But hey, your dear leader Carney said CLT is the future so it must be true!
Funny how things work in the world of Liberal delusions.

Why do you force yourself to be such an idiot just to take partisan shots? In "la la land" it would make economic sense for these Canadian companies with experience and expertise to setup be factories in eastern Canada, and wherever else it is better than shipping.


You've been talking this stuff up for years, and now that a Liberal is proposing these ideas you can't #### on them fast enough. Here's a hint. Mark isn't Justin.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Muta

Ontario is also modifying the building code to increase wood construction up to 18 stories now (up from 12 in 2020).

Ontario Expanding Mass Timber Construction Up to 18 Storeys
Mass timber expansion will help build more homes and support Ontario’s forestry sector

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1...-to-18-storeys

18 storeys out of wood? LOL Fuuuuuuuuuuck that. I will never, ever live in a wood construction multi-story building ever again. You can live below a family of bed-ridden anorexics and it will still sound like a workshop to teach African elephants to compete in ballet dancing is being hosted above you.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

18 storeys out of wood? LOL Fuuuuuuuuuuck that. I will never, ever live in a wood construction multi-story building ever again. You can live below a family of bed-ridden anorexics and it will still sound like a workshop to teach African elephants to compete in ballet dancing is being hosted above you.

Wood development has changed a lot, even before mass timber or CLT.
There's usually a concrete layer poured now, which wasn't the case in older wood construction.
I imagine mass timber layers will be much thicker than typical wood frame construction and likely have the concrete layer as well.

Concrete is still best (from a sound perspective) but not all wood are created equal.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Wood development has changed a lot, even before mass timber or CLT.
There's usually a concrete layer poured now, which wasn't the case in older wood construction.
I imagine mass timber layers will be much thicker than typical wood frame construction and likely have the concrete layer as well.

Concrete is still best (from a sound perspective) but not all wood are created equal.

I mean, not all concrete construction is created equal either; a lot of the newer concrete builds in Calgary seem to have pretty crappy underlayment separating the flooring from the concrete, so there's still noise transfer for some things. But even, then I will take concrete over wood frame every time.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

18 storeys out of wood? LOL Fuuuuuuuuuuck that. I will never, ever live in a wood construction multi-story building ever again. You can live below a family of bed-ridden anorexics and it will still sound like a workshop to teach African elephants to compete in ballet dancing is being hosted above you.

Hahaha, I see your point. That said, thick CLT (layered) panels / glulam columns can reduce that effect; below is a hybrid mass timber/concrete 18-storey building at UBC, which is built much, much differently than your typical cheap three-storey wood build:

Brock Commons Tallwood House

https://www.thinkwood.com/constructi...tallwood-house

Axonometric view of design:

Spoiler!

Construction image:

Spoiler!

If interested, there's also some great mass timber buildings (non-residential) right here in Alberta; WinSport's Markin MacPhail Centre and the Shane Homes YMCA at Rocky Ridge are great examples.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I mean, not all concrete construction is created equal either

Post-tensioned slab slander will not be tolerated!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yes, its been part of the national building code for over 5 years, and with each subsequent update to the NBC, the proposed potential of CLT grows and gets better, but at the same time every province has not necessarily adopted even the latest version of the NBC, and investment in building CLT plants in more provinces has been slow, as have proposed developments that make use of it.

I love CLT, and I 100% think its part of the future, especially with the ability to sequester carbon, but just because Carney says something doesn't make it suddenly achievable.

I also never said I was in the 'know', but it seems like even basic googling skills are hard to do these days.

Can you be happy? You have been ranting about the lack of nation building ideas that solve problems and this is the last two things that Carney has brought up you decry as not going to happen.

Here is an issue that you have been pushing for for years finally getting some federal electoral attention and you poo poo it. What does a guy wearing red have to do for you to say that’s good.

Be happy.

[fotze2]

Signed up for liberal party . Holy fataing Christ the emails and texts the past two days asking for money are insane. That was a mistake. Almost as bad when my buddy’s wife worked for Jim Prentice and I signed up for that.

[Codes]

I am disappointed they aren't taking a much stronger stance on Chiang's commentary. This definitely seems like a significant misstep, and something that can be easily and legitimately criticized. I'm curious about their calculus on this decision.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Post-tensioned slab slander will not be tolerated!

There was actually one place I looked at that was post-tensioned cable construction that was well-built and well-maintained, per the condo docs.


But then you have buildings like Westmount Place. I have heard some exquisitely terrifying details about the state of their building's PTC, and getting 2,000 sq-ft in downtown for $450k, but your condo fees alone are also almost $2,000 a month is an indication that there's a discount for a reason.