The Playoff Hunt. Flames Vs Wild Vs Blues

[Robbob]

That weekend hurt a little....a lot. I think if a few (all) of things go the Flames way, they may wake up Wednesday morning with STL/MIN at magic numbers at or below their games remaining. Which would be a start.

Magic numbers (Games/Points) for the Flames to finish 1 point ahead of the team.

Los Angles (15/30) 9 games left
Edmonton (14/28) 9 games left
Minnesota (12/24) 8 games left
St. Louis (11/22) 7 games left
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Vancouver (9/18) 8 games left
Utah (7.5/15) 8 games left

Flames 10 games left

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

It's enough to drive you round the bend. I had really hoped that the Flames would grasp the nettle after being in the mushy middle for so long and have a go at picking up an elite player or two from the draft in order to have a crack at winning the cup again. But no they seem content with their lot and happy to just being close to the race each year. Very sadly I am losing interest after 30 years of supporting them as they just do not have the right attitude to winning.

But as it's been stated a million times already, what do you expect them to do?

Conroy traded every major UFA last year, he traded Markstrom and Mangiapane, he has 20M in cap space and didn't sign any major free agents that would make the team significantly better.

Expecting Conroy to try and gut the team when they were neck and neck for a playoff spot is ridiculous. If they were in the position they're in now? Yes, Conroy probably has a different mindset. And not selling doesn't mean he believed they could win the Cup this year.

Expecting Huska to diliberately make bad lineup decisions and the players to not play as hard is ridiculous too.

The team overachieved this season but this rebuild/retool has just started and they could go back to being the team they were expected to be and get a top 10 pick next season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

It's enough to drive you round the bend. I had really hoped that the Flames would grasp the nettle after being in the mushy middle for so long and have a go at picking up an elite player or two from the draft in order to have a crack at winning the cup again. But no they seem content with their lot and happy to just being close to the race each year. Very sadly I am losing interest after 30 years of supporting them as they just do not have the right attitude to winning.

I don't know how many times this has to be pointed out but once again they went into the season with literally the least amount of cap possible as they were at the floor.

Right at the FLOOR. They literally couldn't spend any less on the team than they did.

They also had a rookie starting goalie and a career back up in net. On paper only two proven top 4 defenseman and a bunch of young guys or waiver pick ups.

And ZERO elite forwards.

They didn't try to be competitive, it just happened

[lazypucker]

Can someone remind me how does the Montreal/top-10 pick works?

If our pick is outside of top 10, it goes to Montreal?

If it is top 10, we keep it? Then what does Montreal get?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

If it is top 10, we keep it? Then what does Montreal get?

Florida's.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Can someone remind me how does the Montreal/top-10 pick works?

If our pick is outside of top 10, it goes to Montreal?

If it is top 10, we keep it? Then what does Montreal get?

Outside the top 10, MTL gets the better of the picks between ours and Florida's. Right now its ours.

Inside the top 10, we keep ours, MTL gets Florida's.

[the-rasta-masta]

I just don't understand why these conditions were required on that 1st. So convoluted. Would Montreal have truly walked away from top 20 protection instead of top 10?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I just don't understand why these conditions were required on that 1st. So convoluted. Would Montreal have truly walked away from top 20 protection instead of top 10?

Would seem so.
Why would BT give up more than he needed to.

The Flames had been rumored to be on Kadri for some time. There was the smoke around Lucic being moved that never happened. At some point it seems like BT just decided to meet Montreal's price.

I suspect the negotiation went something like this:
- Montreal wanted a 1st for taking Monahan on
- BT offered the Florida pick (or the later of the two picks)
- Montreal wanted the Flames pick (or the earlier of the two picks)
- Then they negotiated all the tricky conditions there

There is no logical reason why BT would have made a worse deal, except that it was the price Montreal set. We can debate if he should have walked but the answer to the question "why these conditions were required" it's because Montreal required them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Was the 24 pick part of the trade? Or did it start in 25.

If they expected to be competitive in 23/24 why not just give up that pick.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

It's enough to drive you round the bend. I had really hoped that the Flames would grasp the nettle after being in the mushy middle for so long and have a go at picking up an elite player or two from the draft in order to have a crack at winning the cup again. But no they seem content with their lot and happy to just being close to the race each year. Very sadly I am losing interest after 30 years of supporting them as they just do not have the right attitude to winning.

Grasp the nettle?

to force yourself to be brave and do something that is difficult or unpleasant [cambridge dictionary]

We would say “grab the bull by the horns.”

Username checks out.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Was the 24 pick part of the trade? Or did it start in 25.

If they expected to be competitive in 23/24 why not just give up that pick.

Unfortunately, Montreal had the option to kick it down the road.

1. In the event Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice is selection 20-32 (inclusive) (following the determination of the 2024 NHL Draft lottery results), then Montreal shall have the option, exercisable until 48 hours prior to the start of the 2024 NHL draft, to exchange the conditional 2025 or 2026 first round choice to become Calgary's own 2024 first (1st) round choice); or,

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Yep, it's really sad actually how mid our team always is. I know people will defend our management no matter what, but it's crazy not to trade an aging Kadri, Anderrson, and Coleman at the deadline for example.

We just keep treading water, desperate for an outside chance at 2 playoff games. And they refuse to use the term rebuild because they want to "retool". When we have absolutely nothing to retool around outside of mid level players who are secondary players on a good team.

This season is just the most Flamesy thing ever. No top 10 pick and no playoffs. Classic Flames.

It is such a weak argument to say 'Flamesy thing ever'. They can only control what they can control. Look at what the Flames have done in the last year, they have traded 7 or 8 vets already, and had more than their allotment of picks, and will continue to have more than their allotment, at least for the next two years.

You say they didn't trade any vets - again very lazy argument. They discussed Kadri but he didn't want to go. They discussed Andersson but didn't get a good offer - however, they are likely to trade him in the summer. They discussed Vladar but didn't get a good offer. Coleman is a discussion for next year.

Instead of just whining, and barking out the same rhetoric over and over (that gets shot down every time), try actually thinking through the issue. Try actually understanding how these things work. Management can only control certain things, they can't stop the team from outperforming expectations. And blaming management because the team went out there and won too many games - primarily because of their youngest player, as you like to keep pointing out - is not a useful or valid argument.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The rest of this season is a 100% complete disassociation for me in terms of consequences. I would be shocked at this point if they make the playoffs, and I would be just as shocked if they drop into the bottom 10. The worst possible outcome is the most likely at this point statistically. I'm over it as I have just accepted it. It is what it is, period. Rest of this season I will just enjoy the games as I know by the middle of summer I will already be starving for even a small nugget of news regarding this team. So, I will just fill-up on Flames hockey while there is still Flames hockey, and not worry about what will happen.


Next year's draft has a generational player. My hope is that Conroy further kicks out some legs on this team, and puts this organization in contention with drafting him. Why can't Calgary at some point get a generational superstar? Calgary almost needs it at this point to start regrowing their fanbase, as I think it may be one of the smallest in the league at this point. That will change with a superstar, and/or winning. I guess we wills see what they do. I do believe the plan was to draft high this season. Flames worked too hard, just like they did in 2015. Hopefully they will also experience a down year like they did in 2016.

[Yeah_Baby]

Yeah, it was fun while it lasted.

[Sylvanfan]

At this point hope the hockey gods reward the Flames with a lottery win that moves their pick into the top 10.

[Enoch Root]

The worst possible outcome would have been for the team to totally suck, with no promising seasons from the young players, yet somehow manage to finish 11th by winning the last game of the year.

That isn't even close to what happened. The Flames were much better than expected. Zary and Coronato had great years. Kadri and Huberdeau have turned themselves into very valuable assets. Bahl was found money. Wolf is an emerging star. The prospect pool is on fire, and we had 8 prospects with an NHLe over 30.

The only reason the Flames aren't going to be in the playoffs is because STL has won 9 games in a row.

How is this 'the worst possible outcome'?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

The rest of this season is a 100% complete disassociation for me in terms of consequences. I would be shocked at this point if they make the playoffs, and I would be just as shocked if they drop into the bottom 10. The worst possible outcome is the most likely at this point statistically. I'm over it as I have just accepted it. It is what it is, period. Rest of this season I will just enjoy the games as I know by the middle of summer I will already be starving for even a small nugget of news regarding this team. So, I will just fill-up on Flames hockey while there is still Flames hockey, and not worry about what will happen.


Next year's draft has a generational player. My hope is that Conroy further kicks out some legs on this team, and puts this organization in contention with drafting him. Why can't Calgary at some point get a generational superstar? Calgary almost needs it at this point to start regrowing their fanbase, as I think it may be one of the smallest in the league at this point. That will change with a superstar, and/or winning. I guess we wills see what they do. I do believe the plan was to draft high this season. Flames worked too hard, just like they did in 2015. Hopefully they will also experience a down year like they did in 2016.

Not sure if you saw the posts in the Scotia PLace thread but this seems to be the opposite of what Conroy is looking to do.

Maybe he was just trying give those ticket holders hope, and they are all in, but the actions of the organization previously line up with what he said.

[dammage79]

It's not the worst outcome. But the most flames outcome. No playoffs and no top 10 pick.

I mean I've accepted it. It's been a great year for watching some really nice young players take some real steps to being key cogs in this new group.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The worst possible outcome would have been for the team to totally suck, with no promising seasons from the young players, yet somehow manage to finish 11th by winning the last game of the year.

That isn't even close to what happened. The Flames were much better than expected. Zary and Coronato had great years. Kadri and Huberdeau have turned themselves into very valuable assets. Bahl was found money. Wolf is an emerging star. The prospect pool is on fire, and we had 8 prospects with an NHLe over 30.

The only reason the Flames aren't going to be in the playoffs is because STL has won 9 games in a row.

How is this 'the worst possible outcome'?

It is arguing semantics. It is the worst possible outcome between sucking and picking high vs - mushy middle - vs playoffs.


Sure, there were bright points that you take from this, but out of those 3 options, this is (or, more correctly, will most likely be) the worst possible outcome.


Things can always get worse. Moving away from those 3 options, sure, I can think of many more scenarios in which things are worse, but that's not what is being discussed.

[traptor]

With the conditional pick going to the habs, is it before or after the lottery.


Say we end up 16th from the bottom but win the lottery and get pick #6.

Does that still go to the habs?