2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well just because Bedard hasn’t lit up the world at age 19 doesn’t mean McQueen would be a better get lol.

MacKinnon didn’t take off until his 5th season and his situation was similar until they got some better players.

People called Crosby soft and a whiner as well.

Bedard had got a long way to go to be mckinnon not to mention when it comes to physical tools they aren’t remotely comparable, and i will take the 6.5 guy with great skating and high level skill who isnt going to cost three or four first rounders to get the smallest center in the league? Especially if we have to give up parehk who is borderline on the same projection, with again better physicsl tools as well as more .

Bedard is a good player but to me projects more like marner than mckinnon.

Good player in the right situation but wingers are rarely difference makers their are maybe three in the league and my bet is thats where bedard ends up; on the wing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I compared their situations on their teams not the physical attributes of the players.

Chicago is a dumpster and Colorado slowly turned into that before Roy rage quit.

Chicago needs better players and a coach.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He is also the same size as Brayden Point. Might be a better comparison.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I’m going to take a ton of flack for saying this, but Bedard might not even be top-5 on my wish list for U-21 centers. He’s way too soft to be as small as he is, and there’s other players that can affect the game in ways he can’t.

Who do you have in your top 5?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Who do you have in your top 5?

Well, I would have to really sit down and think about it to come up with a list, but off the top of my head, a few U-21 centers I would take over Bedard:

Mack Celebrini, Adam Fantilli, Will Smith (he plays RW too), Leo Carlsson, and Cutter Gauthier (he's been playing RW). Michael Misa too.

There was a few I had in mind, like Tim Stutzle, but he's older than 21. I guess it's closer than I thought.....

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Just for discussion purposes, if Bedard was even somewhat available, what would that cost be?

Parekh
Coronato
1st?

Not even worth discussing, they wouldn't entertain.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, I would have to really sit down and think about it to come up with a list, but off the top of my head, a few U-21 centers I would take over Bedard:

Mack Celebrini, Adam Fantilli, Will Smith (he plays RW too), Leo Carlsson, and Cutter Gauthier (he's been playing RW). Michael Misa too.

There was a few I had in mind, like Tim Stutzle, but he's older than 21. I guess it's closer than I thought.....

meh...... You're reaching hard, imo.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, I would have to really sit down and think about it to come up with a list, but off the top of my head, a few U-21 centers I would take over Bedard:

Mack Celebrini, Adam Fantilli, Will Smith (he plays RW too), Leo Carlsson, and Cutter Gauthier (he's been playing RW). Michael Misa too.

There was a few I had in mind, like Tim Stutzle, but he's older than 21. I guess it's closer than I thought.....

I tought you'd go with Celebrini, maybe Johnston, and Cooley if we squint a bit. I was drawing a blank after that, so that's a bit of a hot take, and will be fun to look back at in 5 years.

They're all good players, but they're not in the spotlight like Bedard is. I think every mistake Bedard makes gets magnified ten fold, especially because of the expectation that he becomes a generational player, and he gets called soft. I'm pretty sure both Sid and McDavid were called soft at timen in their first couple of seasons. McKinnon, and Eichel took a couple of seasons to take the next step as well.

Bedard was more dominant than Misa in junior, Misa is 3" taller, and could be the better playmaker. I think there's a pretty good change that both end up in CHI, as a 1-2 punch down the middle.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Fan69

If the difference is parehk and a first no thanks. And projections are just that projections. And quite frankly i dont see mqueen or frondell as huge dowgrades as they bring more to the game than just skill.


Bedard is skilled for sure but proving he doesnt handle losing well, is soft as butter and is one if the smallest centers in the league which means he has to outskill the competitors on a nightly basis. Same problem hagens has in this draft projecting as a center and one if the main reasons he is dropping out of the top five on a lot if lists.

Flash and dash is great if it helps you win games i havent seen that from bedard yet and am not convinced i will either .

For the sake of some context, Brayden Point at the same age was in MJ & Syracuse. The year after he played his first season where he scored 18 goals and 22 assists, totals Beddard has passed in both his two NHL seasons.

It’s a bit trendy right now to downplay Beddards upside and say
‘he’s not as good as everyone believed he would be’ but let’s also not forget two years ago many who are saying this now were probably bemoaning why the Flames tank so they could draft a guy like him. Many would have been saying ‘we got the best player since McDavid’ and on and on….we’re seeing this wild optimism already with Parekh. Which is fine but should be held with an awareness that he is still, just a kid.

This is par for the course as far as player development goes. Get Beddard some actual support and let’s see how he does along with some added growth, physically and mentally. I bet this kid still turns out to be one of the league’s premier offensive threats.

[CliffFletcher]

I expect Bedard will finish top-10 in scoring more than once in his career. But I’m having my doubts he develops into an elite #1 C that you built a team around.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TOfan

For the sake of some context, Brayden Point at the same age was in MJ & Syracuse. The year after he played his first season where he scored 18 goals and 22 assists, totals Beddard has passed in both his two NHL seasons.

It’s a bit trendy right now to downplay Beddards upside and say
‘he’s not as good as everyone believed he would be’ but let’s also not forget two years ago many who are saying this now were probably bemoaning why the Flames tank so they could draft a guy like him. Many would have been saying ‘we got the best player since McDavid’ and on and on….we’re seeing this wild optimism already with Parekh. Which is fine but should be held with an awareness that he is still, just a kid.

This is par for the course as far as player development goes. Get Beddard some actual support and let’s see how he does along with some added growth, physically and mentally. I bet this kid still turns out to be one of the league’s premier offensive threats.

Teammates is hands down the #1 concern. Chicago is just awful, and he doesn't get much support.

The other thing is skating. His top speed and speed bursts are way down from his rookie year. That doesn't usually happen for a young player, unless they are playing hurt.

Most young players improve on this year over year. He has the skating ability to be a player hitting 23mph+ and someone who's speed burst is often 20mph+. Once he gets there, he has a very rare combo of high-end puck handling, vision and elite level shot. Just needs to keep getting stronger and faster. When it comes, he will explode.

He was also 17 when drafted, very young for his draft year.

[Toonage]

You could trade the farm for Bedard, and the next 5 unprotected 1sts and he'd be thrown into another rebuilding situation that could conceivably take longer yet he'd still be surrounded by far better players today than he's had in Chicago and probably prosper because of it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Even though Bedard is a centre, I always thought he profiled more to a Patrick Kane type.
Still incredibly valuable.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Even though Bedard is a centre, I always thought he profiled more to a Patrick Kane type.
Still incredibly valuable.

Yup. An offensive assassin.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I expect Bedard will finish top-10 in scoring more than once in his career. But I’m having my doubts he develops into an elite #1 C that you built a team around.

If you can’t build around a Bedard ad your number one Center the Flames are truely screwed

[SuperMatt18]

Bedard's issue is he entered maybe the worst situation a 1st Overall pick has entered in the Salary Cap era.

The guy has had absolutely no support or protection on that roster, and has no other real top prospects on the roster either.

[Ba'alzamon]

Trading Parekh for a center would be like pulling the boards off of a patched leak in order to patch another leak. Yeah, you've patched a hole... but the ship's still sinking just as fast as it was before.

[Robbob]

They totally Oilered him throwing him to the wolves. Probably credit to him that things haven't gone farther south then what they have.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Robbob

They totally Oilered him throwing him to the wolves. Probably credit to him that things haven't gone farther south then what they have.

It's even worse than the Oilers IMO.

At least Rookie Taylor Hall had Eberle, Gagner, Hemsky, Penner, Cogliano, Horcoff, Whitney, Gilbert, Smid, Dubnyk, Kubibulin as legitimate NHLers on those rosters.

Rookie Bedard had Foligno, Dickinson, Seth Jones, 16 games of Corey Perry, and 10 games of Taylor Hall.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Bedard's issue is he entered maybe the worst situation a 1st Overall pick has entered in the Salary Cap era.

The guy has had absolutely no support or protection on that roster, and has no other real top prospects on the roster either.

I don't think they have drafted particularly well either.
There is some smoke that if things don't turn he won't want to re-sign. Of course, he has limited leverage, and if he signs an offer sheet somewhere else - Chicago will match. I can't conceive of an offer sheet they wouldn't match, including because they will have the cap space.

Which means though he can sign an offer sheet that walks him to free agency in as few years as possible.