[PGT] St. Pats 6, Flames 2

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calling an untested rookie part of the core group shows how little long term talent the Flames have.

Every organization projects ahead as to what pieces they are confident will be core to their group. Indeed the issue is the Flames don't have many of them, but there's nothing wrong with them predicting that Parekh will be a foundational piece to build around.

The Habs would be doing the same with a guy like Demidov. They would view him as a core piece even though he hasn't played a single NHL game.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

When you get overmatched by a higher skill team with 1st line talent. Wolf was spectacular and gave the a chance but we can’t generate #### all and get out skilled in our end if we are not working 200%.

With the xGF we have produced this game might be more of what we see if the pipe bursts.

No he wasn't. Everyone has bad games, and Wolf had one last night. Terrible rebound in the first (that fans would have crucified Vladar for), and a couple softies in the 2nd.

No biggie, and as I said, everyone has off nights, but let's not go full Trumpian Truth Social here

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

They absolutely lost focus after the overturned goal and the Leafs showed their quality.

That was such a bull#### call.

It was BS assuming they didn't have a better angle to show Kadri offside.

That said, IMO Kadri was very likely offside, just based on how the puck was travelling and where he was. So what we are complaining about is not getting away with offside, not that there was no offside.

Sort of like a guy who actually did a robbery but was convicted by a jury based on inadmissible evidence.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I disagree but realize it’s a hypothetical so who knows.

But the team does have a direction; disagree with you saying it doesn’t. It’s just that some people don’t like the direction.

Are you sure? It's my biggest criticism of the current management group. Their current plan seems to be "we refuse to rebuild, we have too much pride, so we're retooling, and yes we're not in our window now so we won't buy or chase big names, but we won't sell because that sends a bad message(?)"

Seriously, their strategy of acquiring talent seems to be to just hunt on the trade market for mid 20s guys to buy low on and build a new core of Farabees and Bahls.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No he wasn't. Everyone has bad games, and Wolf had one last night. Terrible rebound in the first (that fans would have crucified Vladar for), and a couple softies in the 2nd.

No biggie, and as I said, everyone has off nights, but let's not go full Trumpian Truth Social here

I think he was partly to blame for the second goal. There was bad defence and a nice saucer pass to the scorer, but I think Huberdeau hesitated going for the puck behind the net because he thought Wolf was going there. Then he realized Wolf had backed off, it was too late to go to the puck so he unsuccessfully tried to stop the passout (to a guy who the D should have had covered).

edit: I might be wrong about which goal it was, but it was the pass out from behind the line.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calling an untested rookie part of the core group shows how little long term talent the Flames have.

That's not fair for many reasons.

Every team projects future rosters.
The Flames had a great 2024 draft of players trending the right way.
The Flames have moved up subjective system lists in the last two years.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by saillias

Are you sure? It's my biggest criticism of the current management group. Their current plan seems to be "we refuse to rebuild, we have too much pride, so we're retooling, and yes we're not in our window now so we won't buy or chase big names, but we won't sell because that sends a bad message(?)"

Seriously, their strategy of acquiring talent seems to be to just hunt on the trade market for mid 20s guys to buy low on and build a new core of Farabees and Bahls.

I'm simply saying management does have a plan and strategy, as you've pessimistically oulined. But as you suggest ('my biggest criticism' quote), many don't like it and are conflating their *disagreement* with the direction for having no direction at all.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Does our team have a different plan in offensive zone other than rip it around the boards, hopefully win 50/50 puck battle, pass back up to D, then rip it around the boards, hopefully win 50/50 puck battle, pass back up to D.....

Not a ton of creativity in our F group. Kadri, Zary, Huberdeau, Coronato, then maybe Frost and Pospisil as a tier below. No one else really has offensive creativity.

Weegar is a very fine defenseman but lacks offensive creativity that d-men like Makar or Hughes have.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I'm simply saying management does have a plan and strategy, as you've pessimistically oulined. But as you suggest ('my biggest criticism' quote), many don't like it and are conflating their *disagreement* with the direction for having no direction at all.

Yep, I don't think their plan is very hard to understand. They want to focus on getting younger but aren't interested in doing a full teardown rebuild which might not end up working.

But like you said, some don't like it that they aren't doing a full teardown rebuild so they think they have no direction.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Not a ton of creativity in our F group. Kadri, Zary, Huberdeau, Coronato, then maybe Frost and Pospisil as a tier below. No one else really has offensive creativity.

Weegar is a very fine defenseman but lacks offensive creativity that d-men like Makar or Hughes have.

Some teams have skill and some don't. But for those that don't, you can't just keep slinging it around the boards, do board battles only to keep it on the boards some more....you have to eventually funnel pucks to the net and hope for a greasy one or take the puck off the wall and drive to the net. This is the first time i have seen a flames team consistently keep the puck outside with no plan on how to get it to the net. so weird.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Not a ton of creativity in our F group. Kadri, Zary, Huberdeau, Coronato, then maybe Frost and Pospisil as a tier below. No one else really has offensive creativity.

Weegar is a very fine defenseman but lacks offensive creativity that d-men like Makar or Hughes have.

I realize it’s a semantic discussion, but personally I only view huberdeau and frost as having creativity. I view passing and assists as a big part of the creativity equation where you create opportunities across the team and the ice. Kadri’s individual improvisation is no doubt creative but in a pretty singular manner. Ditto zary who tends to try individual forays more than anything.

We need an Adam Oates.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calling an untested rookie part of the core group shows how little long term talent the Flames have.

The reality of a rebuild is just that. In 3 or 4 years who will still be around? Probably only Huberdeau and Weegar from the vets. Sharongovich is the only other player under contract and he isn't part of the core. Based on the contract make up, come hell or high water, the core will be players that are currently 23 under or not even in the system yet. This is a rebuild dressed up as a retool because we have some things percolating in the pipe.

[Tsawwassen]

Postgame links
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...a-5b5eef03c4ed
https://www.espn.com/nhl/game/_/game...es-maple-leafs
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https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/calgar...boxscore-42613
https://deadspin.com/auston-matthews...s-past-flames/
https://calgaryherald.com/sports/thr...-against-leafs