Sure glad I didn't make a rash decision to sell my 4090. With all the problems happening so soon.
Lol....speaking of that.....
I finally had a few moments to install my 5090 Suprim that arrived last week. I thought the 4090 FE was big. This card is enormous. And this is not an exaggeration. I have an O11 Dynamic and the size of the card is roughly the length and width of my case. And where it sits in the PCI slot to the top of the intake fans at the bottom of the case, there's not enough room to stick the included GPU holder so I've had to wedge it in the corner of my case where it can prop up the corner of the card.
The card ended up coming to $3950 roughly. I sold my 4090 FE for $2200 and I had $1000 from my PSA from work so it was an extra $700 out-of-pocket for me. Definitely not worth it in my opinion, but I was too hasty with the sale of my old card. Oh well.
Money aside, it's a noticeable difference vs the 4090 FE. I usually play games at 1.78 * 4K resolution (5120x2880) and without DLSS it's a step up. With DLSS it's even better, especially forcing some of the new pre-sets.
The card, at stock, is incredibly quite. It comes set on the silent bios so the fans don't spin past 1000 rpm. There's no coil whine that I can hear but I also have my FPS limited to 116 and I've power limited the card to 90%. I've also given it an overclock of 200MHz on the core and 1000MHz on the memory. I have done zero testing outside of doing some in-game benchmarks. Nothing has crashed yet. As soon as my new H++ 12V2x6 cable I'm going to change to the "gaming" BIOS to see how it goes. It uses 600W and the cables are rated at 675W so I'll have a small amount of wiggle room. I think there's an extreme mode if I install the MSI utility.
I finally had a few moments to install my 5090 Suprim that arrived last week. I thought the 4090 FE was big. This card is enormous. And this is not an exaggeration. I have an O11 Dynamic and the size of the card is roughly the length and width of my case. And where it sits in the PCI slot to the top of the intake fans at the bottom of the case, there's not enough room to stick the included GPU holder so I've had to wedge it in the corner of my case where it can prop up the corner of the card.
The card ended up coming to $3950 roughly. I sold my 4090 FE for $2200 and I had $1000 from my PSA from work so it was an extra $700 out-of-pocket for me. Definitely not worth it in my opinion, but I was too hasty with the sale of my old card. Oh well.
Money aside, it's a noticeable difference vs the 4090 FE. I usually play games at 1.78 * 4K resolution (5120x2880) and without DLSS it's a step up. With DLSS it's even better, especially forcing some of the new pre-sets.
The card, at stock, is incredibly quite. It comes set on the silent bios so the fans don't spin past 1000 rpm. There's no coil whine that I can hear but I also have my FPS limited to 116 and I've power limited the card to 90%. I've also given it an overclock of 200MHz on the core and 1000MHz on the memory. I have done zero testing outside of doing some in-game benchmarks. Nothing has crashed yet. As soon as my new H++ 12V2x6 cable I'm going to change to the "gaming" BIOS to see how it goes. It uses 600W and the cables are rated at 675W so I'll have a small amount of wiggle room. I think there's an extreme mode if I install the MSI utility.
And finally, and thankfully, I have all my ROPs.
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Sorry maybe I'm missing reading and my Asperger's brain can't comprehend what your trying to convey but, from How I read this post. Yo took an 5090 tuned it so far down on power limits to equal a 4090 (or their of ) yet it still draws over the 600 watt rating ( officially the cable is not no matter the brand okayed over 600 watts ) yet even with an under voltage is drawing 675W. . The cable isn't rated for 675 .. officially it rated a 600w . Madness that's okay!.
Size dont mean much IMO. I don't mess with non waterblocked cards 75 c vs 50c is 2 and sometimes 3 boost bins you lose.
I don't know man. You say it's so much better than a 4090 yet you've limited the power ( 600 watts ) my 4090 gets to that over clocked so they should be even in pure rasterization since they are running same power on the same node. If your limiting a 5090 that much you got a 4090 with 8 to 10 percent more rasterization power. Non crippled it's on average 21% better. But ! You add frame gen x 4 it's as you describe.
You might be saying " You don't own a 5090 how can you make such claims!" Yes , that true but I do currently have several 4090s on hand and few 5090s that I validate builds as my second job at a pc enthusiasts shop/ local SI. If the 5090 crippled like yours was that much better than the 4090 ( minus the problems) I would no question replace all 5 systems we have at home with 5090s .
The fact I have to lame duck them to 4090s then turn on FG to make them "better" is what my hesitation is . If the solve all the issues in 6 to 8 months then all the machines will get them.
Again I may be confused but IMO what you've had to do just to be safe makes themn4090s with out frame gen.
Also please �� 675w is not max on the 12v cables . Thatsn75 watts out the pcie slot Plus 600W out the cable to equal 675W. The cable IS NOT RATED FOR 675 WATTS ALONE. 600W is the max these cables are rated for FULLNSTOP!
I'm not saying the 5090 isn't a n impressive card. It is but they are throwing more power at it then the cable can handle and plus the fg is is just visually bad.
If this card came with 5 or 6 pcie cables that needed to power it than so be it. That way they they could safely power it then fine. 600 watt rated cable yet every 5090 draws over that out the box . It's no longer user error on melting cables . They are supplying way to much power on last gen nodes to create more power. They are just providing oc ++ cards on cables that can't handle that power because we currently are stalled on what's possible on silicone avaliable to consumers.
AMD isn't making cards that can't compete with 90s/ titian class cards because they can't. They are not making cards that class because when you over clock current silicone that far past stability and heat limits you get this from nvidia. I owned 4 sli 970x , I've sli'ed 1080 ti, I sli'ed titans and the end of the pandemic I moved to a 4090 after having sli'ed 3090s.
Don't get me wrong I obviously am the in the crowd that nvidia is looking to sell a 5090 to. But with all the bs problems and a 75 to 100 % price hike worth 20 % performance non fg worth it? Not a ####i g chance.
Anyways , If your new card makes you happy then that's all that matters . Luckily your job covered 1000 dollars of the cost because the 5090 outside of msrp is almost 100% cost off a 4090 and 20 percent in games better out side a few outliers. Then again I di just justify putting g a 4070ti watercooled in my wife's rig from a 3080 10gb water cooled but it wasn't at a near 100% cost for 20% performance uptake. It was more same dollar for dollar for 2gb more and better dlssat an improved efficiency rate by alot. I bought the msi suprim 4070ti 8 months after launch for 1000.
Okay. Thank you for the feedback. I apologize that you took my comments so personally. I'm very happy you have a 4090. Please continue to enjoy it!
It wasn't an attack on you personally. It just turned into a rant because the world is going to ####.
Don't take it personally I went full abe simpson. I apologize that it seemed I was being an ass. Should have split 2 trains of thought.
Fair enough. I hear ya. The world is super messed up. I probably didn't do the best job myself with my comments. I was just excited about putting a new brick into my computer. As a father of three very young kids, video gaming on the PC is my only outlet.
But, now that we've cleared the air, let me comment on some of your feedback just for context.
- The MSI Suprim, according to the stats page, has a TDP of 575W using the BIOS silent mode (default). So what I did was put a power limit on that to limit it to 90%. What Youtube and reddit have told me is that even at 90% you're only losing 2-3% but gaining more in efficiency.
- According to the same documentation, the TDP of the "gaming" BIOS is 600W
- The cable that I'm using is rated for 600W. So I'm a bit nervous of using a cable that has a watt limit that is bumping right up against the power draw for the card. So another reason to only draw 90%.
- I've ordered a new cable that uses the 12V-2x6 specification and has a limit of 675W. Again, still not a lot of room to play with but more room than my other cable. Then, I can go back to 100% and try out the "gaming" BIOS hoping that the cables are sufficient and I don't burn the house down.
Hopefully that's more context. I will point out that I am no means an expert here. I've watched a few Youtube videos, read some reddit posts and have come to these conclusions.
This release of the 50 series has been a disaster. There are far too many problems for a normal consumer to deal with or even be exposed to. We shouldn't have to worry about TDP and cables and melting connectors. Nvidia is supposed to "just work" both the hardware and drivers. I remember way back when, I bought a 9700Pro from ATI and I had problem after problem with drivers. So I returned it, went with an Nvidia card and never looked back. This 50 series launch and shaken that trust I had. But given that they are the only player in the high performance video card game, I'm not sure what else I can do other than buy and deal with the problems.
Since upgrading from my old faithful 1080 Ti to a 4070 Ti Super, I really haven't bothered to do any sort of overclocking / undervolting like I did with the 1080 Ti. Is that still something people are finding value in doing on the 4000 and 5000-series cards?
Upgraded my 7950x to a 9950x3D today. Looking great, running like a bat out of hell on workstation stuff.
First 3D V-NAND CPU for me, which is neat because it's also the first one that doesn't basically force you to reformat when upgrading from a non-3D chip.
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Since upgrading from my old faithful 1080 Ti to a 4070 Ti Super, I really haven't bothered to do any sort of overclocking / undervolting like I did with the 1080 Ti. Is that still something people are finding value in doing on the 4000 and 5000-series cards?
Not really nowadays. Overclocking in general is kind of not necessary other than for single digit gains in the sub 5% zone at increased power usage and risk of errors.
What about just undervolting? I’ll be the first to admit my usage of the card results in it barely breaking a sweat, and my case is pretty well ventilated, but have thermals been much of a concern? Always happy to squeeze a little more longevity out of expensive components.
What about just undervolting? I’ll be the first to admit my usage of the card results in it barely breaking a sweat, and my case is pretty well ventilated, but have thermals been much of a concern? Always happy to squeeze a little more longevity out of expensive components.
Ah missed that. Yeah Undervolting is still quite good nowadays for both CPUs and GPUs.
What about just undervolting? I’ll be the first to admit my usage of the card results in it barely breaking a sweat, and my case is pretty well ventilated, but have thermals been much of a concern? Always happy to squeeze a little more longevity out of expensive components.
Undervolting is still very useful, looking at some threads tweaking of 4070 Ti+ cards can drop power usage by 25-35% while still getting 95% of the performance.
Love Jay and he's right. Amd had a chance to be a champion of the people and before launch and ALL reviews said don't #### this up. They ####ed it up of coarse. Not telling any AIB partners the launch price till launch day is dog####.
Any ways take it away Jay.
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Many thanks to DownInFlames for helping me get an Astral 5090. Really appreciate it though maybe not the wallet. I should still have my "pre-order" from ME that is waiting for fulfillment in the meantime, will pass it along for whomever is up next.
ROPS seem to be all there. So far so good. But holy heck a full sized case is no guarantee of these cards fitting.
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Man, if Intel could ever get their #### together on the driver and software side (Intel Graphics Command Centre ####ing blows), they could be a real threat at the mid-range level.
I finally bought a 4k TV in January, and just got around to loading up Cyberpunk on it last night. For a card that is only supposed to be for 1080 and 1440p, my Arc A770 held up just fine playing Cyberpunk at 4k, ultra settings, with ray-tracing enabled. Obviously path-tracing wasn't available, and I had to enable to XeSS, but I was getting a perfectly reasonable 40fps on a card that costs less than a PS5.
The big problem is the lack of consistency across games, which I'm guessing is attributable to the driver issues and a lot of games not supporting or doing a poor job of supporting XeSS. For example, ray-tracing was an absolute non-starter for Spider-man 2 (although that could also be a case of PS ports being generally dog####).
Man, if Intel could ever get their #### together on the driver and software side (Intel Graphics Command Centre ####ing blows), they could be a real threat at the mid-range level.
I finally bought a 4k TV in January, and just got around to loading up Cyberpunk on it last night. For a card that is only supposed to be for 1080 and 1440p, my Arc A770 held up just fine playing Cyberpunk at 4k, ultra settings, with ray-tracing enabled. Obviously path-tracing wasn't available, and I had to enable to XeSS, but I was getting a perfectly reasonable 40fps on a card that costs less than a PS5.
The big problem is the lack of consistency across games, which I'm guessing is attributable to the driver issues and a lot of games not supporting or doing a poor job of supporting XeSS. For example, ray-tracing was an absolute non-starter for Spider-man 2 (although that could also be a case of PS ports being generally dog####).
Ps ports have always looked and ran great for me but we have 2 very different machines.
Nvidia not so great driver wise either anymore. Since the 5000 series launch everyone's older cards have been randomly black screening. I can attest to this had to roll back to a driver 6 months old because I'd black screen. They are fixing the 5000 series issues every update but leaving us non 5000s series cards ####ed
