2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Philly gave Frost away for the privilege of getting to pay Farabee in future years.

They had seen enough of both. These arent 'young' players. 90% chance they are what they are.

Now i have zero issue with the Flames taking a chance on them, but if these are example of where we are going.... ugh. These are fine low risk darts to throw and pray, but they better not be part of the master plan

They obviously aren't the master plan...it was a win of a trade so they did it.

Philly or any other team "seeing enough" is irrelevant anyway. The league is full of guys who improved greatly after a change of scenery. Its not like the Flyers know what they are doing.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They obviously aren't the master plan...it was a win of a trade so they did it.

Philly or any other team "seeing enough" is irrelevant anyway. The league is full of guys who improved greatly after a change of scenery. Its not like the Flyers know what they are doing.

The league is also full of players who did nothing after a change of scenery.

The Flames always have wizards as Gm's and are always winning these trades, yet long term are one of the least successful franchises over the last 20 years.

We took on 10-11 million (depending on what we resign Frost for) in salary to acquire guys who are lower 2nd liners/3rd liners on good teams and also gave up a 2nd round pick for the luxury of doing so.

And since we have done so Fabaree has 5pts in 18 games and is a minus 3 while Frost has 6 pts in 18 games and is -4.

They have been below third line replacement level. And we traded a 2nd and have to pay them. Philly is winning this trade as of today.

Its a fine gamble to take , but so far its a relative fail. Theres a reason a terrible team like Philly wanted these two gone. It isnt always that they cant evaluate talent. Sometimes the players just arent that good

[dissentowner]

Both Farabee and Frost are solid players. You can't expect them to put up the numbers they should in this system.

[really?]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Both Farabee and Frost are solid players. You can't expect them to put up the numbers they should in this system.

Farabee pre injuries looked like someone who might be capable of producing 60 points in the top 6. History suggests that this is what Frost is. These guys might find another level, but one team familiar with the pair felt this wasn’t the case. Yeah, the Flyers don’t have a good track record, but bad as they’ve been they’ve had more postseason success than the Flames over the past decade and a half.

It wasn’t a bad deal in isolation, but if this signals the Flames catering to the veteran presence in the room then they’ve lost their way.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Both Farabee and Frost are solid players. You can't expect them to put up the numbers they should in this system.

Does anyone put up numbers in the flames system? They can barely score 2 goals a game.

[memphusk]

Frost and Coronato will be a good duo next year. Young guys just figuring out systems.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Both Farabee and Frost are solid players. You can't expect them to put up the numbers they should in this system.

drink

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Wolven

This year's ceiling for an offer sheet that doesn't cost a 1st is $4.58M. As long as the team keeps the offer under that number, it is not an issue. As the cap goes up, that number goes up too.

The only RFA I would consider an offer sheet that costs a 1st+ is Byram... and I certainly wouldn't do that this summer simply because that 2026 1st has too much potential.

Knies is an interesting target but I think if you offer him $4.5M, the Leafs will match.

Bourque is a viable target as I do not think the Stars can match $3M for him and that is fair value for a rookie with his numbers to see what he can do with a bigger role.

I am not sure what other targets are out there that would cost a 2nd or less where the other team wouldn't simply match.

I would try to offersheet Dylan Samberg, and Cam York. Also, $4.58M is the 2024 compensation for a 2nd, it will be higher. It will be around $4.97M if the cap goes up to $95.5M. The cap increase will also give most teams plenty of cap space to play with, so a successful offersheet using a 2nd seems unlikely.

[really?]

The Flames scheme doesn’t promote individual statistics, but given less time and opportunity Pelletier was more producing at a higher rate. Stats aren’t everything, but they shouldn’t be ignored.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by really?

The Flames scheme doesn’t promote individual statistics, but given less time and opportunity Pelletier was more producing at a higher rate. Stats aren’t everything, but they shouldn’t be ignored.

to be fair, he was playing in this system for longer...if Frost and Farabee produce like this next year then i'd be worried.

[really?]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

to be fair, he was playing in this system for longer...if Frost and Farabee produce like this next year then i'd be worried.

The adjustment s acknowledged, but each player has been given more opportunities than Pelletier and there is little to show for it. It’s a small sample size, but when considering the history of these players the trajectory isn’t encouraging.

Even if Frost and Farabee become JAGs, the deal isn’t harmful because Pelletier was unlikely to get much of a chance with some of the prospects who will soon be competing for time. The fear for me is management starts making decisions to validate their actions. They should be careful in how they approach resigning Frost.

[Bandwagon Surfer]

Players in the 22-25 age range are an inherently risky demographic to go after. It is a stage in career development where a lot is now know about the player but there is still some room for growth, making deals for these players either expensive or a gamble.

Expensive - The player is doing well in the nhl so their current team is happy with them. Due to this and their age, their current team also expects growth. So a selling team would want so be paid for both what the player is now and what they could be, making them expensive.

Gamble - The player has not been living up to their current team's expectations, and they has soured enough on them that they have given up on them growing into it either. So they are trading them to recoup as much value from them they can. Making it a gamble for the acquiring team, who is hoping they know something the selling team doesn't, or can do something different to get the player back on track.

[really?]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

Players in the 22-25 age range are an inherently risky demographic to go after. It is a stage in career development where a lot is now know about the player but there is still some room for growth, making deals for these players either expensive or a gamble.

Expensive - The player is doing well in the nhl so their current team is happy with them. Due to this and their age, their current team also expects growth. So a selling team would want so be paid for both what the player is now and what they could be, making them expensive.

Gamble - The player has not been living up to their current team's expectations, and they has soured enough on them that they have given up on them growing into it either. So they are trading them to recoup as much value from them they can. Making it a gamble for the acquiring team, who is hoping they know something the selling team doesn't, or can do something different to get the player back on track.

Succinct analysis. The Flames have basically placed placed a two dollar bet on red. At this point the cost is low, but if they sign Frost to a deal with term that cost increases. The Flames have been on the bad end of “hard to move “ deals in the recent past.

[Sylvanfan]

How many centers have the Flames drafted over the past 12 years who are in the NHL? I have Jankowski, Monahahan, Bennett, and Zary on my bingo card. All drafted in the first round with two being high picks. Go back 12 years before that...its Backlund and junk. So the Flames have been objectively terrible at drafting centers over the years. Getting a body who can play 200 games at that spot for the Flames seems to be really hard. So yeah a second for Frost given Backlunds birth certificate is not awful.

Regarding offer sheets, a guy like Holloway had a good playoff, and St.Louis took a chance that with more opportunity could put up better numbers. So a player like Bourque from Dallas could fit that mould. But it's not often that you get the right situation to offer on that type of player. But once you get into the second round money you need to have a good inkling that the player will work out. I'd part with the third to try and lure Bourque...but I'm not going above that because the Flames could easily be the bottom 5 team next year that many expected this year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

How about Dmitri Voronkov in CBJ.
Big centre (6.05) with skill. 20-22 this year.

CBJ would probably match, but that's a guy I wouldn't mind throwing an offer sheet at.

[dammage79]

Was looking at the 2025 RFA list and Voronkov stood out along side McTavish and Rossi. I can see the Flames offer sheeting any one of those 3.

There's is a Hughes on defense they could go after as well.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How about Dmitri Voronkov in CBJ.
Big centre (6.05) with skill. 20-22 this year.

CBJ would probably match, but that's a guy I wouldn't mind throwing an offer sheet at.

Yeah but Columbus has the same cap space the Flames do, and they don't exactly attract top end free agents. So they can overpay their own good player. So it's kind of pointless unless you want Columbus to pay more. Do you really want to risk your first for a player like Voronkov? Maybe if you're Florida or Carolina....not so much if you're possibly in the bottom 15.

The reason these don't get used much is that the situations where they could work are pretty rare.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by really?

The Flames scheme doesn’t promote individual statistics, but given less time and opportunity Pelletier was more producing at a higher rate. Stats aren’t everything, but they shouldn’t be ignored.

Pelletier and Farabee are 24 and 25 respectively. Farabee has had 22 goals and 50 points in a season, and has played full seasons pretty much every year. Calgary will play a more offensive style as they get better players. Pelletier hasn't even stuck on the roster in any goven year. He's had 4 goals and 11 points in his biggest year. Since the trade Pelletier has 2 assists. Farabee has 3 goals and 5 points.

[really?]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Pelletier and Farabee are 24 and 25 respectively. Farabee has had 22 goals and 50 points in a season, and has played full seasons pretty much every year. Calgary will play a more offensive style as they get better players. Pelletier hasn't even stuck on the roster in any goven year. He's had 4 goals and 11 points in his biggest year. Since the trade Pelletier has 2 assists. Farabee has 3 goals and 5 points.

True, but with less opportunity in Calgary Pelletier was out producing both guys. Pelletier is getting minimal opportunity with the Flyers and maybe they know there’s nothing there, but applying the reasoning of posters suggesting they were wrong in their assessments of Frost and Farabee, they could be wrong about Pelletier as well.

I agree that Calgary will play a more offensive style with better players, but to date that hasn’t started to change, which to me says they don’t feel these are those players.

[Paulie Walnuts]

lol at looking at offer sheets. This organization can’t be patient.

Edwards seriously needs to GTFO