Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

PP didn’t even bother getting his security clearance, made a mockery of the house and insulted everyone whenever he had a bill he was “trying” to get people to vote for, and his supporters actually think the CPC did “all they could” to get anything done?

LOL

Weird how the NDP got more done than they did, isn’t it?

It's not like the NDP accomplished things because they were good at politics and goverance but rather they just got lucky based on seat math in the House and they were able to dangle the sword of Damocles over Trudeau. Even with holding the balance of power and leading Trudeau by the short hairs they still left a lot of their policies wants in the trash bin.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It's not like the NDP accomplished things because they were good at politics and goverance but rather they just got lucky based on seat math in the House and they were able to dangle the sword of Damocles over Trudeau. Even with holding the balance of power and leading Trudeau by the short hairs they still left a lot of their policies wants in the trash bin.

And yet accomplished more than the Conservatives, so whatever criticisms you have about the NDP’s effectiveness, the Conservatives were somewhere significantly below them.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And yet accomplished more than the Conservatives, so whatever criticisms you have about the NDP’s effectiveness, the Conservatives were somewhere significantly below them.

I look forward to watching the NDP's continued success following this coming election. They have generated so much momentum and crafted a strong relationship with the Liberals such that anything is possible going forward.

[flamesfever]

Well Carney has a distinct advantage over the opposition. As Prime Minister he can:

1. act like a Prime Minister because he is one

2. use public money to promote his agenda, or campaign for the election e.g. talks with Premiers, playing with the Oilers

3. take important steps to look important and dominate the media e.g. trips to Europe and the Far North

4. Stealing whatever policy he decides from the opposition e.g. he can always do what Trudeau did and change the policy once elected

Oh wait, he's different than Trudeau. Although he has been advising him for the past 5 years, and where has that taken Canada.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It's not like the NDP accomplished things because they were good at politics and goverance but rather they just got lucky based on seat math in the House and they were able to dangle the sword of Damocles over Trudeau. Even with holding the balance of power and leading Trudeau by the short hairs they still left a lot of their policies wants in the trash bin.

Isn't that just being good at politics? They got some of what they wanted through. Realistically they did more for their policies in these past few years than has been accomplished by them in a long long time.

[Looch City]

Again, wtf is this #### about "Stealing whatever policy he decides from the opposition"?

When the #### did two opposing politicians agreeing on something become one "stealing" from the other?

Grow up and get real. Like ####.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Azure

lol. At this points is basically lets do the opposite of Trudeau and hope people don't notice its what the Conservatives want to do as well plan.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1903139000006668567

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I look forward to watching the NDP's continued success following this coming election. They have generated so much momentum and crafted a strong relationship with the Liberals such that anything is possible going forward.

You can flail about all you want but you asked what the CPC could have done when the reality is a party with even less seats accomplished more. Not hard when the CPC accomplished… nothing… because they were too busy grandstanding and trying to generate soundbites instead of helping Canadians.

Maybe we wouldn’t be looking at another Liberal majority if their supporters didn’t so eagerly excuse their impotence as the opposition. Oh well!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Oh wait, he's different than Trudeau. Although he has been advising him for the past 5 years, and where has that taken Canada.

You mean he was an informal advisor in formulating the COVID response, and then again in late 2024.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Isn't that just being good at politics? They got some of what they wanted through. Realistically they did more for their policies in these past few years than has been accomplished by them in a long long time.

They’re just mad “what could the CPC have done” was so easily dismissed. Imagine hating the NDP and realising they’re actually better at getting things done for Canadians. Yikes.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Again, wtf is this #### about "Stealing whatever policy he decides from the opposition"?

When the #### did two opposing politicians agreeing on something become one "stealing" from the other?

Grow up and get real. Like ####.

They are supposed to represent what we want. If most of the populous wants something, they should be getting it.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm intrigued to know how the CPC could do anything over the last ten years? Liberals weren't going to vote for any CPC motion especially not for significant things that they support (or supported up until a couple months ago) like carbon tax and increases to capital gains taxation.

How did the NDP get some of their policies through?

They worked with the government in power.

Imagine if Canada had policies that both Liberals and Conservatives voted for but NDP and Greens did not. I think our country would be better for it.

[woob]

I don't understand the logic of being upset that the government in power took the opposition's idea/policy and put it into effect. Is this not a good thing? Especially with a new leader? Does it not show that they disagree with what the previous Liberal government did on that particular file, recognize that CPC's idea/policy is a good, and put it in place.

If I was a convervative voter, I'd be ecstatic that the government in power made this change in thought process and put in something I consider to be good policy.

[Jason14h]

They didn’t exactly “work” with them though

They extorted them . Which is how the system is set up and they used the (math) to their advantage . To me this is a “don’t hate the player hate the game “ situation . And their party is basically decimated and they couldn’t even pick up votes as the liberals were burning

The NDPs best chance moving forward is the liberals actually continue to move more central on economic policies and drive the left wing liberal voters to them over the next few years .

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Again, wtf is this #### about "Stealing whatever policy he decides from the opposition"?

When the #### did two opposing politicians agreeing on something become one "stealing" from the other?

Grow up and get real. Like ####.

The rational response is "Phew, someone is finally listening and righting the ship in ways we've been asking for."
The actual response has more or less been "WHAT THE FUCΚ, THAT WAS OUR GUY'S IDEA."

Try taking parties out of the equation for once, you morons, and you'll see how stupid you sound. You're getting literally what you want, but the guy wears the wrong colour tie.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by woob

I don't understand the logic of being upset that the government in power took the opposition's idea/policy and put it into effect. Is this not a good thing? Especially with a new leader? Does it not show that they disagree with what the previous Liberal government did on that particular file, recognize that CPC's idea/policy is a good, and put it in place.

If I was a convervative voter, I'd be ecstatic that the government in power made this change in thought process and put in something I consider to be good policy.

I am ecstatic . I can also identify hypocrisy that many people on these boards only think these are good policies now that their “team” is adopting them.

And spent months calling anyone who would consider voting for the cons (for policies like these ) multiple names !

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I am ecstatic . I can also identify hypocrisy that many people on these boards only think these are good policies now that their “team” is adopting them.

And spent months calling anyone who would consider voting for the cons (for policies like these ) multiple names !

I'd like a citation on that. I don't really remember anyone being against the GST cut for new homes, let along criticize conservative voters for that policy. There are plenty of reasons people criticize them, but I'm not sure this was one of them.

[TorqueDog]

You'd definitely find some people criticizing a wholesale removal of the carbon tax, which is a polarizing topic to be sure... but what Carney did was not a wholesale removal -- just the removal of the consumer portion (thankfully, as the industrial carbon tax is necessary to keep foreign trade with the EU intact).

Even the GST reduction for homes under $1m was also not a 1:1 implementation as proposed by PP, since it only applies to qualified 'first-time' home buyers. PP's was a blanket suspending of GST on properties under $1m, which could have been exploited by developers allowing the buying up of properties that much cheaper. And he definitely took heat for his awful 'AXE THE TAX' sloganeering. But I don't recall hearing criticism of the policy specifically.

So even where the policies are very similar on the face of it, they've been shored up in some thoughtful ways that make them better.

[Fuzz]

Well I did criticize the removal of the carbon tax at the time, so sure. But that's because I not only personally benefited, and at the time the situation was different. If we were not in a Trump world, I'd still support keeping it. Not just for the money in my pocket, but because it does work to reduce emissions. BC proved that one pretty handily. But it's also supported in the analysis of it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You seriously think the Liberals being perceived as somewhat similar to the Conservatives on some policy matters but without the baggage of right wing insanity is somehow going to hurt them politically? That's how they've achieved their greatest electoral success. It'll really just come down to whether people believe them or not.

Trust me I'm not complaining about that.

Everyday Carney does something else that I agree with and think is best for Canada.

Just amusing watching all the environmental whackjobs trying to figure out what is going on after they've spent the last 9 years running Canada into the ground.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Mark Carney showing fantastic leadership and planning by implementing these things. Watching Cons try and claim "it was our idea" is super cute, since how can it be your idea if you never did it? CPC should be paying attention for when they go to elect their next leader, this is what an effective leader looks like.

Sorry, but as pointed out early the Liberals literally voted against legislation on some of the stuff Carney is not saying he will do, so if you continue saying that you are actually full of ####.

Which seems to be what a lot of Liberal supporters are these days when it comes to the sudden reversal in Liberal policies.

GST on new homes? Bad, but now good!
Capital gains taxes? Good, but now bad!
Caps on oil production? Good, bad, or is it good, actually bad, well depends who moron is speaking.