2025 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

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Berrios draws Opening Day start for Blue Jays
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[Andrew]

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[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Andrew

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At this point, I'd say either give him exactly what he's asking for or move on. I don't think Vlad wants to negotiate at this stage, he's said as much, so you probably aren't getting a counter-offer if you continue to posture.

[bluejays]

Vlad is taking a risk here too. If by some stretch he doesn't play well (and it's possible), his value drops. So there is room to negotiate, but you also don't want to nickel and dime your franchise player, so they do have to tread carefully. In any case, I'm against the long term deal. It'll end poorly after 7 years of serviceable help. Give him more money but don't give him more term. It'll kill us down the road.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Vlad is taking a risk here too. If by some stretch he doesn't play well (and it's possible), his value drops. So there is room to negotiate, but you also don't want to nickel and dime your franchise player, so they do have to tread carefully. In any case, I'm against the long term deal. It'll end poorly after 7 years of serviceable help. Give him more money but don't give him more term. It'll kill us down the road.

Vlad only cares about the current day value of the contracts total money

The Jays want 15 years because money in 14 years is worth less today and for luxury tax reasons

A shorter a higher $ contract is bad for the Jays (assuming same total $$)

[Harry Lime]

Love Vlad.
Done with Vlad.

If there is a team out there that will trade two top 20 position prospects for him you pull the trigger.

To Boston for Roman Anthony, Macelo Meyer and done.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Love Vlad.
Done with Vlad.

If there is a team out there that will trade two top 20 position prospects for him you pull the trigger.

To Boston for Roman Anthony, Macelo Meyer and done.

No idea, if the Jays are actually negotiating with the player, or if this is all speculation

If he is not signed, I don't think the Jays will even entertain a trade unless they are out of playoff contention at the deadline.

I would think, they could get a decent return,

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by flambers

I would think, they could get a decent return,

Lol

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by flambers

No idea, if the Jays are actually negotiating with the player, or if this is all speculation

If he is not signed, I don't think the Jays will even entertain a trade unless they are out of playoff contention at the deadline.

I would think, they could get a decent return,

Depends on your definition of decent. Imo this won't be multiple top-100 prospects, for 1 playoff run.

Better than the 4th round comp pick, sure, that will be easy to accomplish.

[flambers]

Look at what the Yankees traded for Juan Soto, awhile ago

the Yankees to get Soto from the San Diego Padres roughly a year ago parted with Jhony Brito, Kyle Higashioka, Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Randy Vásquez. In addition to Soto, the Yanks also got fly-catcher Trent Grisham.

That's a "decent" package.

[flambers]

MLB Pipeline ranks Thorpe as the No. 99 prospect on their overall Top 100 list, while Vásquez was the Yankees’ 13th-ranked prospect.

[Roof-Daddy]

The best piece in that package was King who was a decent mid rotation arm proven at the MLB level. The rest were a bunch of lottery tickets, nothing special really.

Also Soto >> Vlad

If the Jays are out of it at the TDL they probably trade him for a bunch of lotto tickets, otherwise they let him go to market and see how it shakes out, which is a very common occurrence in MLB.

[bluejays]

With Shapiro saying today he thinks they’ll resign Vlad, I assume the bridge is small at this point and it’ll get done. Each year past 7 or 8 will be terrible but fans don’t realize that. Imagine if the flames signed Lindholm for a monster deal? But this would be way worse. The Jays don’t have an unlimited budget to work around such a contract. In year 2034-2040 it’ll be dark times when you have that money tied up with him.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Each year past 7 or 8 will be terrible but fans don’t realize that.

I think fans are fully aware the last half of the contract could hurt. That's the case for pretty much every long term contract though.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I think fans are fully aware the last half of the contract could hurt. That's the case for pretty much every long term contract though.

For sure. The one thing I don’t think fans realize is how crippling it’ll be to the club because of the dollar amount that will be tied up to him. Pujols and Wells didn’t have this high pay. Just think how bad Springers contract has been, now multiply it by 1.5 in pay, and by 3 in length. It will be crippling to the team in the end. I just hope they pay him more up front and it’s less as the years goes on. That will be the only saving grace.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by bluejays

For sure. The one thing I don’t think fans realize is how crippling it’ll be to the club because of the dollar amount that will be tied up to him. Pujols and Wells didn’t have this high pay. Just think how bad Springers contract has been, now multiply it by 1.5 in pay, and by 3 in length. It will be crippling to the team in the end. I just hope they pay him more up front and it’s less as the years goes on. That will be the only saving grace.

It may, but it also might not be as bad as you think it will be. He could still be overpaid but still contribute.

Who knows what state the team will be in either. It could be a situation similar to the Flames where having an overpaid contract isn't the end of the world because the focus is developing young players who are on cheaper contracts.

[Finger Cookin]

Hard to say how crippling it will be until hard numbers and deferrals are in. It will most likely be a bad contract for the last 6-7 years. It should be great for 7-8 years.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The Jays don’t have an unlimited budget to work around such a contract.

Don't they?

It sure seems that Rogers is willing to spend a near unlimited amount. Wouldn't this contract show they are even more so?

The Jays are 5th in the majors in salary and tried actively to spend even more then they did in the offseason.

Is 35 million a season for Vlad in 2033 when the Jays are spending (guestimating) $350 million really that big of a deal?

You use Vernon Wells as an example - He was making $18mil a season (average) for the Jays starting in 2009.

In 2010 the Jays team salary was 77 million. Wells made up 16 million of that (20%)

Next year assuming the Jays kept a payroll around $250 million and Vlad got the rumored deal his average would be ~35million $ - That's 14% of the payroll.

And dont forget we still managed to trade Wells eventually despite the contract.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Don't they?

It sure seems that Rogers is willing to spend a near unlimited amount. Wouldn't this contract show they are even more so?

The Jays are 5th in the majors in salary and tried actively to spend even more then they did in the offseason.

Is 35 million a season for Vlad in 2033 when the Jays are spending (guestimating) $350 million really that big of a deal?

You use Vernon Wells as an example - He was making $18mil a season (average) for the Jays starting in 2009.

In 2010 the Jays team salary was 77 million. Wells made up 16 million of that (20%)

Next year assuming the Jays kept a payroll around $250 million and Vlad got the rumored deal his average would be ~35million $ - That's 14% of the payroll.

And dont forget we still managed to trade Wells eventually despite the contract.

Also springer at 25 coming off books gausman bassitt etc shortly

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Don't they?

It sure seems that Rogers is willing to spend a near unlimited amount. Wouldn't this contract show they are even more so?

The Jays are 5th in the majors in salary and tried actively to spend even more then they did in the offseason.

Is 35 million a season for Vlad in 2033 when the Jays are spending (guestimating) $350 million really that big of a deal?

You use Vernon Wells as an example - He was making $18mil a season (average) for the Jays starting in 2009.

In 2010 the Jays team salary was 77 million. Wells made up 16 million of that (20%)

Next year assuming the Jays kept a payroll around $250 million and Vlad got the rumored deal his average would be ~35million $ - That's 14% of the payroll.

And dont forget we still managed to trade Wells eventually despite the contract.

I really don’t think they have an unlimited payroll. Cohen and the Dodgers are the only ones like that. In any case we got lucky with Wells getting off the books. The length of this deal combined with the amount will not be good. We can’t take back not paying him at a steal years back but we can’t take prevent a tough deal moving forward. I’d rather lose him for nothing than being tethered to a bad deal for eternity preventing future moves. We can’t take agree to disagree on this but bad contracts with those two fronts really strap a team. Especially if by that time they’re aiming to get a new stadium.