American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Paulie Walnuts]

My 20-year-old son knows how to turn on a laptop. Proud father moment when your other creations are Donald snorting Jr and Eric.

[Drak]

Trump’s cognitive decline on full display.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How did you do that?

None of your business dad....

The mystery continues.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I don't know. Honestly? Whatever the fk they want. Ban trans athletes? Okay, a-holes. They're banned. Now stfu and let's go back to talking about the economy, military alliances, trade alliances, social services, tariffs, rule of law, etc. etc. etc.

Dems need to play the GD game to get back into power so they can do anything positive instead of taking a principled stance that gives them no power to do anything at all.

Mind you, I think it's too late. I don't see dems getting power back. It'll never happen because they didn't play hardball when they had some power and the chance to make some changes and prosecute the criminals. It's over now, trans people have no rights, and millions of others don't, either, and the whole world will suffer.

Don't mistake that for me saying this is somehow trans people's fault because it clearly isn't. They were used as pawns by the Republicans and handled poorly by the dems. Not their fault at all and it's terrible that I am willing to sacrifice their participation in sports, but I think it would have been for the greater good and I'll wear that and take my licks for that opinion.

But that's the problem, they won't stop at all. They can't be reasoned with. I know someone who was just in an Alberta Women's Help Fibromyalgia and menopause webinar, and the doctor, donating her time and expertise to this, mentioned a trans man also has the hormone issues to watch for. Well the chart suddenly lit up, and the entire hour was just hateful BS from all the "real women" in the online audience. They have no rational, and no limit to their hate. Giving them a win is about the worst thing you can do, even if it's the right thing at the time. And this was just an information session!


So you may as well stand up for the vulnerable, because when they are done with them, they are coming for you. And no, I don't know why they would come for you or your family, but they'd absolutely find a reason.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/user/status/1902764060745011205

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

It is a wedge issue that people only care about because they are told to care about and that is done by Trump and the right wing media. If you give them an inch they will take a mile in this environment.

I am not willing to be able to sacrifice any group of people's rights, that isn't how rights work. It is an all-or-nothing thing, in my view, at least. There are less than a handful of trans athletes and their playing of a sport has no impact on the lives of anyone at all.

You fight them on every possible means, you drive home the fact that they are a regressive out of touch party that cares more about creating divides and accumulating wealth than they do about women playing sports, social security, or the lives of the average American. The fact that the media including social media is owned by the people who maintain power is absolutely terrifying.

It is a wedge issue, and they are using that wedge to win elections, and it works.

I don't know that this an issue that is completely black and white. Is it a basic human right to be able to play high level girls/women sports? There are all sorts of people who don't have access to play on those teams for a whole host of reasons. If it is a black and white rights issue, should women's sports be open to anyone who wants to play?

People try explaining these things. I hear every day someone explaining that the current high school rules, and NCAA rules are sufficient and working well, and only effect a tiny percentage of the population. That makes sense to me, and is what I believe in, but once they have to explain, they've lost.

General polling on this issue (both in US and Canada) says a large majority are against transgendered girls/women playing in female sports and will vary around how the question is phrased.

If a strategy is proven over and over to be a losing strategy, it is not appeasement to move on from that strategy and look for a winning one.

[ResAlien]

When your strategy is "abandon the vulnerable for your own benefit and convenience" your strategy is one of dishonourable cowardice and is one I'd be ashamed to subscribe to. YMMV

[puffnstuff]

Its not just sports. Its their existence.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Its not just sports. Its their existence.

Change the focus to protecting their existence and basic human rights and just move on from the sports aspect. That has much more potential for a winning strategy. The current strategy is not helping anyone.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

My 20-year-old son knows how to turn on a laptop. Proud father moment when your other creations are Donald snorting Jr and Eric.

If y'all need someone who knows how to press buttons, I know a guy

[stazzy33]

Originally Posted by Muta

‘Convicted felon’ poster of Donald Trump seen on Calgary bus shelter

https://calgary.citynews.ca/2025/03/...gary-bus-stop/



Hahahahaha

I hope more of this starts popping up the closer we get to the G7. I can only dream that every billboard on the TCH out to Kananaskis is plastered with stuff like this.

Even better would be a giant "#### Trump" banner hung off Mount Yamnuska... how much would something like that cost?

[PepsiFree]

First they came for the trans athletes in women’s sports, and I did not speak out—because I did not feel it was a winning strategy…

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

First they came for the trans athletes in women’s sports, and I did not speak out—because I did not feel it was a winning strategy…

Being excluded from women's sports is equivalent to being killed for your political affiliation?

[undercoverbrother]

Trans Athletes

That's the issue that MAGA thinks should be a top priority.....meanwhile people keep getting shot by other people


####ing stupid

[MrButtons]

Bringing this back, once again cause it seems we keep returning to the subject. Although nobody is fighting over it here, just a useful reminder its a non-issue.

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Bit late to the party but I'd encourage y'all to look at this letter the Gov from Utah wrote back in 2022.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022...-ban-veto.html

[Senator Clay Davis]

Most GOP issues are non-issues. But they dominate politics right now cause they are ability to leverage their low IQ base with red meat coated in red meat with a side of red meat and a vino of red meat drippings. All designed the distract those morons while the GOP robs them. Their success is an American success story cause it's the only western country dumb enough to fall for it.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

When your strategy is "abandon the vulnerable for your own benefit and convenience" your strategy is one of dishonourable cowardice and is one I'd be ashamed to subscribe to. YMMV

Well, it wasn't my first choice, but their intolerance has bested the tolerance of the left. They own all three branches of government and are completely lawless. I think losing some battles would have at least left more soldiers on the field to temper the right's power.

It's a war, dude. Not all battles can/will be won and the greater medium- and long-term goals have to be considered.

It's easy to say what you're saying, but the consequences are worse for more people with your approach than mine. And I shared your approach prior to November, by the way, but I think the approach needs to change if future elections are held because the stakes are way too high to lose to the right at this point. We're going to have to take some smaller "Ls" if we hope of getting some bigger "Ws".

I'm also 100% fine with the left completely lying about their approach to trans issues and adopting the right's approach if that will reel in votes, and then just governing in a sensible way that is pro-trans rights. The right lies all the time. Left should, too. If it it's not too late, the left cannot lose anything again for a while.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

First they came for the trans athletes in women’s sports, and I did not speak out—because I did not feel it was a winning strategy…

Well, winning has become a matter of global security, global economic stability and the sovereignty of nations is at stake. So, yeah, we need to be coldly strategic to ultimately move things in a direction that is safer, more equal and better for all.

Trans athletes in women's sports is not the hill to die on.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

But that's the problem, they won't stop at all. They can't be reasoned with. I know someone who was just in an Alberta Women's Help Fibromyalgia and menopause webinar, and the doctor, donating her time and expertise to this, mentioned a trans man also has the hormone issues to watch for. Well the chart suddenly lit up, and the entire hour was just hateful BS from all the "real women" in the online audience. They have no rational, and no limit to their hate. Giving them a win is about the worst thing you can do, even if it's the right thing at the time. And this was just an information session!

So you may as well stand up for the vulnerable, because when they are done with them, they are coming for you. And no, I don't know why they would come for you or your family, but they'd absolutely find a reason.

I agree completely with this, but I think that's what the tolerance, empathy, and wokeness (and I use that word in a good way where 'woke' just means tolerant, egalitarian, fair, learned, etc.) of the left has done: it has handed the right the biggest win ever at the worst possible time to the worst possible administration. It is ruining the positive aspects of the status quo in exchange for a Biff Tannon-style timeline.

[Fuzz]

The problem is the right can lie as much as they want, and their voters buy in more. The less truthfull, the more votes. The left can't do that, because their voting base is largely not made up of ####ing morons. You lie to them, you turn them off and they stay home.


It's a major disadvantage and I'm not sure anyone really has the answer there yet. So sure, you can give them wins, but it isn't going to help. Look what Gavin Newsom is doing, and his popularity on the left is plummeting because of it. If you aren't aware, he's been giving the right "wins" on the trans issues. So I don't think it's the answer.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think the objection is when scholarships and such are on the line.

Wouldn't be an issue with free post-secondary. Just saying.

America also has a really weird obsession with college sports. I can't think of another country in the world that places so much emphasis on college sports.