No matter how bad Musk is, this vandalization is wrong and criminal. Imagine an alternate universe where Musk was a force for all things good and people vandalized Teslas because he is too 'woke' and was jeopardizing their jobs with all his green-tech. Would you still be laughing?
This only serves as ammunition for Trump, Musk, and their supporters to double down on the 'radical left'.
Normally, I’d agree with you on this.
But these aren’t normal times, and ####ers like Musk need to pay the price and know that they are ####ing hated and that if they want to push the parameters, so will others. Decorum is for the flaccid Democrat party in the US. #### decorum and unleash hell on these ####s.
It is the only thing they understand.
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It's probably not helpful, but it's understandable. People are losing their jobs, their social security is threatened and their democracy is being gutted and shutdown by an unelected demagogue. They are taking action in the way they see as visible, specifically targeted, and probably cathartic. They don't feel they have power in any other way, so this is what happens.
So while vandalism is absolutely criminal, so is what Musk is doing. Unfortunately only one side will ever be punished. And that will lead to more.
And the guy is ####ing meme’ing his way about all those things. He’s a complete piece of #### who might be more disconnected from reality than his puppet is.
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Ya, he honestly doesn't seem to understand how people could be upset with what he is doing. Probably that inability to feel empathy thing he has going on.
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I won't defend vandalism, but I'm honestly also super tired of the "this only serves Trump/Musk/whoever" narrative.
I will.
There are circumstances where civil disobedience, vandalism, and violence are acceptable tools.
In the case of vandalizing the business of someone who is actively targeting your country, actively doing harm against vulnerable populations, and someone who is actively working to remove the guardrails of democracy and functioning government, I think it's possible it could be justified.
That being said, I don't think anyone should go vandalize a random Tesla vehicle. You have no idea what the circumstances of the person who bought it were. I'm sure a lot of them are pretty disgusted with Elon right now.
But Elon's dealership? I'm not going to do it. I'm not even going to explicitly condone it, but I'm also not going to condemn it, or shed a single tear in response.
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No matter how bad Musk is, this vandalization is wrong and criminal. Imagine an alternate universe where Musk was a force for all things good and people vandalized Teslas because he is too 'woke' and was jeopardizing their jobs with all his green-tech. Would you still be laughing?
This only serves as ammunition for Trump, Musk, and their supporters to double down on the 'radical left'.
Umm that "alternate universe" is currently this universe thanks to Elon/Trump. They literally destroyed the BLM plaza in Washington (spent tax payer money to jack hammer the #### out of it) and are actively destroying everything related or even slightly pertaining to DEI.
#### Elon. I hope he ####ing dies in a Tesla crash.
No matter how bad Musk is, this vandalization is wrong and criminal. Imagine an alternate universe where Musk was a force for all things good and people vandalized Teslas because he is too 'woke' and was jeopardizing their jobs with all his green-tech. Would you still be laughing?
This only serves as ammunition for Trump, Musk, and their supporters to double down on the 'radical left'.
I'm okay with vandalism of Tesla dealer lots because #### Elon, but not regular citizens that are driving Teslas. I work with a guy that drives a Model 3 who's invested in home charging and can't afford to unload it at a loss and purchase a replacement. I just don't think it's right to punish regular folks that bought these cars prior to Elon coming out as a Nazi.
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I'm okay with vandalism of Tesla dealer lots because #### Elon, but not regular citizens that are driving Teslas. I work with a guy that drives a Model 3 who's invested in home charging and can't afford to unload it at a loss and purchase a replacement. I just don't think it's right to punish regular folks that bought these cars prior to Elon coming out as a Nazi.
I dunno, the Cybertrucks came out well after he was outed as a white nationalist.
No matter how bad Musk is, this vandalization is wrong and criminal. Imagine an alternate universe where Musk was a force for all things good and people vandalized Teslas because he is too 'woke' and was jeopardizing their jobs with all his green-tech. Would you still be laughing?
This only serves as ammunition for Trump, Musk, and their supporters to double down on the 'radical left'.
If we changed reality would I react the same?
Is that a serious question?
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My point is we’re all rah rah about this vandalism because Elon is a total nazi dick. But if he was a saint and a bunch of magats were destroying his car would we be ok with that?
My point is we’re all rah rah about this vandalism because Elon is a total nazi dick. But if he was a saint and a bunch of magats were destroying his car would we be ok with that?
If a bunch of racist ignorant dummies were destroying the property of a saint no I wouldn't be ok with it.
If a bunch of people are destroying the property of a billionaire Nazi sociopath who's hurting millions of people for personal gain, no I don't have a problem with it.
This isn't complicated.
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We all hate him now. That’s not the point. Does hating the guy justify destroying the property of people who bought his cars? Never
Of course it doesn't.
Which is exactly what we've all been saying.
Normal citizen's cars? Off limits.
Property of a Billionaire, who may not be a Nazi, but he sure is doing a lot of Nazi stuff, and is actively harming millions of people. Yeah, some of us are okay with that.
Your hypothetical of Musk being a good guy being attacked by Nazis is completely irrelevant.
It's the opposite of what is happening.
Everyone who is okay with vandalism of a Nazi's property, by the people he is hurting, and against your hypothetical of a good person being attacked by Nazis, are being completely morally consistent.
Another example that is completely consistent.
I am 100% against Nazis punching Jews.
I am 100% pro Jews punching Nazis.
Even though the physical act is the same, those are very different situations, and they are not morally equivalent.
I am confident that I am being morally consistent by being 100% against one, while being 100% for the other.
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My point is we’re all rah rah about this vandalism because Elon is a total nazi dick. But if he was a saint and a bunch of magats were destroying his car would we be ok with that?
That's still a really strange question to make an odd point.
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