American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Swift]

The Canadian woman who was detained in the US recently has written a really good account of her experiences. It sounds terrifying - being treated as subhuman, trapped in a bureaucratic nightmare, being passed from one place to another without any explanation or the ability to talk to someone about what's going on. This woman is lucky that she was Canadian, English speaking and white. I can't imagine what it must be like for the other much less fortunate people trapped in this situation for weeks/months. Shocking to see how callous some humans can be to others in the name of just doing their job.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...jasmine-mooney

[troutman]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

The major resistance is in the media like MSNBC, and podcasters like Ben Meiselas.

Artists could help - ex. Bruce Springsteen.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Sorry diss, but this is half nonsense and half fantasy. If the USA decides to invade, and the whole complex buys in, we'll be rolled over solely on their timeline.

We have no special place above Ukraine, and we do not share land borders with anyone other than the USA.

Human actions and behaviors are cyclical, but 'history repeats itself' is a myth. The United States aren't likely to look anything different post-invasion as they do now. They are the most powerful nation on the planet, and they have the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons apart from Russia. There is no coalition of economic or military strength that is going to stop them without some type of nuclear intervention...and guess where that leaves us all.

It's a bit naive to think our reputation and relationships with other nations will magically save us. The only thing that may, IMO, is a military coup or civil war that disrupts the beast from within. And I actually (maybe naively) think that could be a likely scenario.

The United States is being isolated from all the countries and institutions that make it the most powerful nation on the planet.

Russia has a ####Zillion nukes, and their economy is a joke.


They couldn’t hold Afghanistan or Iraq.

They don’t have the two million troops they’d need to hold the country.

They don’t have a mechanism to stop Canadians flooding south and buying weapons and setting their cities on fire.

They don’t have the political will within the country to go to war with Canada.

But never mind all that.

Don’t be so sure nobody is coming to help.

Canada is a NATO member. Just because the president doesn’t give a #### about it doesn’t mean Article 5 doesn’t exist for the other countries in the alliance who are sworn to defend one another.

France and the UK are nuclear powers. They have the same invisible submarines with the h-bombs that the Americans do.

They will not just let the United States take Canada.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The United States is being isolated from all the countries and institutions that make it the most powerful nation on the planet.

Russia has a ####Zillion nukes, and their economy is a joke.


They couldn’t hold Afghanistan or Iraq.

They don’t have the two million troops they’d need to hold the country.

They don’t have a mechanism to stop Canadians flooding south and buying weapons and setting their cities on fire.

They don’t have the political will within the country to go to war with Canada.

But never mind all that.

Don’t be so sure nobody is coming to help.

Canada is a NATO member. Just because the president doesn’t give a #### about it doesn’t mean Article 5 doesn’t exist for the other countries in the alliance who are sworn to defend one another.

France and the UK are nuclear powers. They have the same invisible submarines with the h-bombs that the Americans do.

They will not just let the United States take Canada.

I don't know.

I wonder if Trump's distain for Ukraine is designed to have Europe focus on their backyard and if push comes to shove they will keep forces in Europe to counter Russian threats.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

The major resistance is in the media like MSNBC.

MSNBC just dickrides for the Dems without actually providing meaningful criticisms of the party. They're enablers, not resistance.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by rubecube

MSNBC just dickrides for the Dems without actually providing meaningful criticisms of the party. They're enablers, not resistance.

Sounds like all right wing media

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I don't know.

I wonder if Trump's distain for Ukraine is designed to have Europe focus on their backyard and if push comes to shove they will keep forces in Europe to counter Russian threats.

We’re already part of the Coalition of the Willing to support Ukraine. If these are the battle lines of World War 3, then the Europeans know no place is safe. They don’t have the luxury of abandoning us.

Ukraine’s struggle was that it wasn’t actually a member of any formal defensive alliance. All it had was the American guarantee to protect them in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons.

We’re in NATO. We’re a commonwealth nation - subjects of the King of England. We represent the only chance for Europe to be free of dependence on Russian/American/Middle Eastern/Chinese energy.

Oh, and we have all the ####ing water.

We’re the jewel of the world. Armour up, because people want to take it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

If you are the UK, France or Germany and you see Canada getting invaded by the US military, do you:

A) Send battle groups and invasion forces in support and touch off WWIII, thereby ending all of humanity when it eventually comes to nuclear exchange?

B) Leave it alone and sacrifice Canadian lives in order to avoid WWIII?

Pretty easy choice. This is not 1939. This is 2025 where weapons systems can destroy the planet and everything on it.

Nobody is launching nukes, they are a deterrent but nobody seriously thinks the US is launching nukes at everybody. As you pointed out it's the end of humanity. It takes multiple keys and the launch code for the US to launch, do you really believe the people who have families and loved ones who also need to turn those keys are going to? A nuclear exchange started by the US is never going to happen.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by troutman

Artists could help - ex. Bruce Springsteen.

Artists.

Guys, we’re already at war here. The only question left is can we keep it a Cold one.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I wonder if Trump's distain for Ukraine is designed to have Europe focus on their backyard and if push comes to shove they will keep forces in Europe to counter Russian threats.

It's not really that complex. Trump has disdain for Ukraine because Russia views Ukraine as their rightful land. Trump does what Putin tells him to do.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by rubecube

MSNBC just dickrides for the Dems without actually providing meaningful criticisms of the party. They're enablers, not resistance.

Oh they’re resisting. Maybe not the way or to the extent we want, but they are resisting.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody is launching nukes, they are a deterrent but nobody seriously thinks the US is launching nukes at everybody. As you pointed out it's the end of humanity. It takes multiple keys and the launch code for the US to launch, do you really believe the people who have families and loved ones who also need to turn those keys are going to? A nuclear exchange started by the US is never going to happen.

I agree, but a couple of months ago I’d have never expected we’d be in this place, but here we are.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody is launching nukes, they are a deterrent but nobody seriously thinks the US is launching nukes at everybody. As you pointed out it's the end of humanity. It takes multiple keys and the launch code for the US to launch, do you really believe the people who have families and loved ones who also need to turn those keys are going to? A nuclear exchange started by the US is never going to happen.

If we actually had reached the point where an invasion of Canada was being telegraphed by the American military, then the French and the British involved and in a position to engage the Americans in a shooting war.

And if that were to happen, all bets are off.

Let us pray it doesn’t come to that.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody is launching nukes, they are a deterrent but nobody seriously thinks the US is launching nukes at everybody. As you pointed out it's the end of humanity. It takes multiple keys and the launch code for the US to launch, do you really believe the people who have families and loved ones who also need to turn those keys are going to? A nuclear exchange started by the US is never going to happen.

You realize they don't need nukes to kill an entire population, right? Chemical and biological weapons are far more proficient because they can kill the population and leave the infrastructure in tact. No one is coming to defend us, best case Ontario is same as Ukraine, they'll send us some arms and share intelligence. But they aren't sending their people to die protecting us.

[Monahammer]

I don't even think a land invasion is realistic, let alone bombing.

It will be something way more sinister. Mock elections and collaborators, with the military invited in to defend or some bull ####, if it occurs.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

You realize they don't need nukes to kill an entire population, right? Chemical and biological weapons are far more proficient because they can kill the population and leave the infrastructure in tact. No one is coming to defend us, best case Ontario is same as Ukraine, they'll send us some arms and share intelligence. But they aren't sending their people to die protecting us.

Sir, if they didn’t gas Afghanistan and they didn’t gas Iraq, why would you think for a moment they would gas us?

And they can’t use biological weapons because Canadians would easily spread the disease south indiscriminately.

And we know how the Americans respond to vaccinations.

In any event. We don’t need extra people - we need money, weapons, and whatever else to conduct this war.

If 4 million people actively resist, the Americans will be driven into the sea.

If 4 million people resist, we already have three guns for each of them in private circulation.

If America did this, it would be the end of their society.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Artists.

Guys, we’re already at war here. The only question left is can we keep it a Cold one.

You don't think a strongly worded lyric will turn the tide?

Maybe not, but if the interpretive dancers and digital artists get involved I'd sleep a lot better at night.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sir, if they didn’t gas Afghanistan and they didn’t gas Iraq, why would you think for a moment they would gas us?

And they can’t use biological weapons because Canadians would easily spread the disease south indiscriminately.

And we know how the Americans respond to vaccinations.

In any event. We don’t need extra people - we need money, weapons, and whatever else to conduct this war.

If 4 million people actively resist, the Americans will be driven into the sea.

If 4 million people resist, we already have three guns for each of them in private circulation.

If America did this, it would be the end of their society.

Plus, the US has always just invaded other countries. When have they actually had to defend their hometurf (other than the civil war way back in the day)? I agree with the one commentator. The American public is not used to any sort of suffering from war, because they've never had to defend anything. If 9/11 was enough to get them into such a panic, can you imagine how they react to anything bigger?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

You realize they don't need nukes to kill an entire population, right? Chemical and biological weapons are far more proficient because they can kill the population and leave the infrastructure in tact. No one is coming to defend us, best case Ontario is same as Ukraine, they'll send us some arms and share intelligence. But they aren't sending their people to die protecting us.

Except they will. The US is already not popular with NATO and article 5 says they will. Ukraine is different, they are not part of NATO but even then many countries are giving them aid. Everybody in Germany also said nobody would attack them because they were such a super power in 1939. What happened. Trump will do everything in his power to annex Canada financially but as crazy as he is he is also a lot of bluster. He also has military guys that are not as stupid as he is in his ear and they will have told him any military operation that invades Canada is the beginning of World War 3. It will never happen by military force, it's not worth it for them. Reminder, 95% of what Trump says, the opposite is the usual outcome.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sir, if they didn’t gas Afghanistan and they didn’t gas Iraq, why would you think for a moment they would gas us?

And they can’t use biological weapons because Canadians would easily spread the disease south indiscriminately.

And we know how the Americans respond to vaccinations.

In any event. We don’t need extra people - we need money, weapons, and whatever else to conduct this war.

If 4 million people actively resist, the Americans will be driven into the sea.

If 4 million people resist, we already have three guns for each of them in private circulation.

If America did this, it would be the end of their society.

Cause a psychotic maniac like Trump wasn't in control then lol. I'm glad you have delusions that we'd easily beat them, but our best case is a likely quick surrender and guerilla warfare post-occupation. Worth pointing out, speaking of Afghanistan and Iraq, they both lost the conventional war and easily won the guerilla war.