[News] The Athletic - NHL Owner Rankings - Murray Edwards 30th

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I am glad other people are finally coming around to this exact point.

Other people have been saying this for well over a decade or longer. It’s not a new or fresh take.

[NewFan]

I think Murray Edwards doesn't have a plan to keep Flames in long run. He is just keeping the team until a good offer received.

[Robbob]

I think ownership is overblown in Calgary. They have no issues spending. I actually think that it is more a GM issue. They seem to start with a plan and divert from it. I think that is partly because the Owners allow them to spend. Conroy is the first GM that was taken a measured and patient approach. They weren't going to say it publicly, but they totally planned on being a team that would be in the top 10.

Take away even 3 of Wolf's wins (We know there are a lot more) and they are in the mix easily for the top 10. Realistically they probably should have 10 to 15 less points and that would put them around Buffalo and Nashville.

I think Wolf is the real deal and they need to build out from him. Parehk will be a hell of an add next year. The team has amassed a lot of young talent and that is before the multiple 1st they still have in the next couple drafts.

[Hockey_Ninja]

This post from Sec is forever burned in my mind whenever I see the name Murray Edwards:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=1170

The fact you think Sutter chased off those listed is 100% garbage. The circle points directly to Murray Edwards as he is majority owner. He lowballed Johnny 7.5-8x8 (Tre wanted to go 9.5 and it was a flat no…he hung up) He didn’t want to go long term with Matthew when his camped wanted too (“I don’t pay 50 point kids 8Million”) and he undermined the GM and extended the HC because players already told them LAST summer they wanted out from here because of the “Intensity”.

He pressured BT into extending Huberdeau without playing a ####ing game. He was upset Johnny walked away from 84 Million dollars he wanted to prove he was a entitled prick. Murray Edwards walked away from a closed arena deal for 20 ####ing million of solar panels.

Wake the #### up Flames fans. This isn’t sutter, this isn’t the GM.

This is your ####ing meddling billionaire owner. Who only cares about money and money only. He could careless about if we stop showing up. He will sell the team and he has all the power. He doesn’t give a #### about a product only that it makes money.

Guy sends his #### wagon John Bean out to act all frantic, dodge any meaningful questions because he know we always go away easy. Bean is a money man who makes you pay 2 ####ing dollars for butter when the large bag costs 30 cents to produce and sell for 7 dollars…

Wake up Flames Fans.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think ownership is overblown in Calgary. They have no issues spending. I actually think that it is more a GM issue. They seem to start with a plan and divert from it. I think that is partly because the Owners allow them to spend. Conroy is the first GM that was taken a measured and patient approach. They weren't going to say it publicly, but they totally planned on being a team that would be in the top 10.

Take away even 3 of Wolf's wins (We know there are a lot more) and they are in the mix easily for the top 10. Realistically they probably should have 10 to 15 less points and that would put them around Buffalo and Nashville.

I think Wolf is the real deal and they need to build out from him. Parehk will be a hell of an add next year. The team has amassed a lot of young talent and that is before the multiple 1st they still have in the next couple drafts.

I don't remember if it was Sec or Royle, but they mentioned that in the Flames' GM interviews, almost all of the candidates presented a plan of blowing the team up and rebuilding. Edwards went with Conroy because he presented his plan about making the team younger, a retool on the fly, rather than a full rebuild to the studs.

There is one constant over these last 20 years. We can question the individual capability of each GM, but the direction is ultimately set by Edwards.

This is on Edwards. It always has been.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

This post from Sec is forever burned in my mind whenever I see the name Murray Edwards:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=1170

Interesting. I've heard that ME doesn't really give a #### what the GM does, but I'll believe Sec since he's closer to the action than my sources.

[Torture]

All of Sec's post unfortunately lines up very closely with what you hear about how he runs CNRL and RCR.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

This post from Sec is forever burned in my mind whenever I see the name Murray Edwards:

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=1170

Unfortunately I think this is true. We've had different GMs, different HCs, the constant purveyor of mediocrity is the owner - and he doesn't care. I've heard some stories about Edwards, and he sounds like a piece of #### to the highest degree. Makes it hard to have hope for any type of competitive product on the ice while he is in charge.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think ownership is overblown in Calgary. They have no issues spending. I actually think that it is more a GM issue. They seem to start with a plan and divert from it. I think that is partly because the Owners allow them to spend. Conroy is the first GM that was taken a measured and patient approach. They weren't going to say it publicly, but they totally planned on being a team that would be in the top 10.

Take away even 3 of Wolf's wins (We know there are a lot more) and they are in the mix easily for the top 10. Realistically they probably should have 10 to 15 less points and that would put them around Buffalo and Nashville.

I think Wolf is the real deal and they need to build out from him. Parehk will be a hell of an add next year. The team has amassed a lot of young talent and that is before the multiple 1st they still have in the next couple drafts.

Strongly disagree. I think ownership gives the framework for which the GMs are operating in. There is a reason the Flames have never truly rebuilt and it's not because of the GM.

[fotze2]

The City of Calgary should have given the stadium money on the condition that he sells the team. We'd probably get some bigger boob like Katz or Bret Wilson though.

Who else could buy it? Mike Rose? Mannix family (they were Glenlake folks)? Doug Quinn? Colborne is notoriously generous to employees?

[Skaloper]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Strongly disagree. I think ownership gives the framework for which the GMs are operating in. There is a reason the Flames have never truly rebuilt and it's not because of the GM.

This is the problem! Too much pressure from above to keep the team competitive every year. They lucked out by having a few top 10 picks turn out (Monahan/Tkachuk and Bennett to some degree) and having Gaudreau come at the same time. This allowed us to have a young core to build around without completely bottoming out for Top 3 picks.


For our current team we sold to some players still on the team we were going to be in the playoffs each year so ownership needs to convey a new message and if they don't like ship those players out. The Flames solid group of young talent coming up but aside from Parekh (Not proven yet) and Wolf we don't have an elite skilled forward (Center). This year we rewarded the team who put in lots of effort but it's been shown we lack skill (especially in 3 on 3) and need to commit to a full rebuild. The problem though is how do you do this with Wolf now you're starting goalie

[Mr.Coffee]

I have so many things I’m itching to post, but shouldn’t lol

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I have so many things I’m itching to post, but shouldn’t lol

Do it beatch!

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I have so many things I’m itching to post, but shouldn’t lol

Post it or else I'll write a strongly worded sentence.

[Mr.Coffee]

Deadbeat dad of industry. Pay your bills.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Deadbeat dad of industry. Pay your bills.

CNRL's standard supplier contract used to have a section that stated that they did not have to pay any invoices from the supplier.

Ask me how I know.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Shazam

CNRL's standard supplier contract used to have a section that stated that they did not have to pay any invoices from the supplier.

Ask me how I know.

How do you know

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Shazam

CNRL's standard supplier contract used to have a section that stated that they did not have to pay any invoices from the supplier.

Ask me how I know.

Walmart of the oilpatch. I tell anyone who works there the same thing.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

How do you know

We heard from other people whose companies deal with CNRL.

When we started a relationship with them, they provided their standard supplier contract, and lo and behold there it was - a provision that they were not obligated to pay any invoices provided by the supplier.

We struck that out immediately, along with a few other a-hole terms.

We also met at their offices in BH, in a meeting room that was around 40C because "the HVAC was messed up and this was only meeting room available". Uh huh.

As it turns out, they signed our agreement instead, but in the last round of negotiations we signed theirs. That clause is now gone in their standard agreement.

When re-negotiations happened, we invited them to our offices, and I kept them in the meeting room for six hours and farted the entire time.

[Jordan!]

Being a Flames and a Coyotes fan in my life.. why do I even watch sports?